re: The 501(c)(3) Trojan Horse in the American Church (another LBJ gift)

Many Christians have definitely cowered to the govt. I have no care or time for weak pastors that only talk about Sunday School level Christianity. I want a Pastor with the stones to make me feel awkward sitting in the pew from time to time. Pastors that see the evils, even if political, around us and teach me how to fight it. I heard one online that refers to it coming from "the Left", and errrbody knows who is talking about.

Force the IRS to come after you, and prove what was so wrong about what was said. And with plenty of videos of Democrats church's online just ask them what's the difference. There's a particular one up in CHI that helped a former Prez, so let's see why that was untouched. Iirc Sen. Rev Warnock may still be getting his Rev pay, so no sure how that's not an illegal mix. Ohhhh and let's see how certain famous race baiting "reverends" do their taxes.

I have no time for weak knee'd Christians anymore. Time to Templar up or get out of the way. It's time to fight lefties and atheists that want to keep God down with rules that are non-American. As if churches 200 yrs ago were afraid of what was "political" or not. Especially since this same type will cower if faced by certain race or a required to tell moslims they need to be careful with what they say.

AM radio host Eric Metaxas has a book about this called "Letter to the American Church" where he discusses this. I believe he is New Yorker with a Greek Orthodox background.

I am very familiar with many pastors of a conservative denomination. None of them fear the IRS. If they are afraid to tackle cultural issues, it's either because they fear certain people in the church or they are themselves part of the problem.

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If you think that's all it is, you are mistaken. That was how it was originally framed in 1954, but there have been a number of updates, and the IRS has made it know to Churches they are being monitored for anything that might be deemed "political".

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Well I can assure you that my pastor doesn't alter his sermons out of fear of the IRS. He doesn't get "political" but preaches against sin in all its ways. If this code is being used as an excuse for the neutering of the church, then there are bigger problems going on. The only way the church can be neutered is if the preachers refuse to preach against sin and the gospel of Jesus Christ.

So what about democrats campaigning from black churches?

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They might want to notify the black churches, especially in Chicago

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I think Baraq's radical pastor may owe a few fines.

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gospel of Jesus Christ

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Hey foo, educate me on Judas, will ya?

Did he…

- throw down the money in the temple and then hang himself as in Matthew 27:3

Or

- keep the money then buy a field then fall head-first in the field with his guts flying out his abdomen as in Acts 1:18?

I’m expecting you to tell me he threw down some money, kept the rest, bought a field, hanged himself, with his head hitting the ground first and then his guys flying out. Just wanted your opinion.

Also what do you think of 1 Corinthians 15:5. He appeared to “the twelve”. Obviously at that point Judas was dead, right? Maybe the name of their clique was “the twelve” even though they were missing a member? Though I know you aren’t a Catholic, why do you think their Bible says Jesus appeared to “the eleven”. I almost fell out of my chair when I read that in my daughter’s Bible.

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They might want to notify the black churches, especially in Chicago

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All over the country really. They know it will never effect them.

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Aren't BLMGN and ActBlue registered as 501(c)(3) organizations?

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Yes. I said you can't make certain political statements. You can be political about issues and certain activities.

The prohibition is primarily about campaigns and candidates. Now, in a polarized political climate, issues and candidates can somewhat merge, which is difficult. I actually did my thesis in law school about this topic and, shocking to this board I'm sure, defended churches somewhat, arguing they needed more clear guidance.

But, in the framing of OP, that's wrong. Churches can be as political as they want and endorse whomever they want, as long as they don't get special tax status you and I aren't allowed to use. It's a voluntary choice to get an extremally beneficial tax status.

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Are you ever going to respond to me from almost a month ago? You specifically called me out for not responding to you, and when I did, I didn’t see a rebuttal. Are you going to keep opening yourself up for being proven wrong over and over again?

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I probably didn’t respond because I said what I said and so did you and there a further discussion on the subject was fruitless. Your illogical and unscientific opinions aren’t proving me wrong.

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Judas provided the means for the Chief Priests to buy the field, so Judas gets credit for the acquisition. He also hanged himself, and possibly later, his bloated body fell when the rope broke and splattered when it hit the ground.

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You see, the Bible says two different things. The priests bought it. Judas bought it. There’s a problem with your bloated body idea too. Acts says he fell head-first. Judas couldn’t have banged himself and then fell head-first into the field.

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You need to realize that when there are plausible explanations, a contradiction need not exist.

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To me the only plausible explanation is that the writer of Luke/Acts intended to overwrite and supersede Matthew (and Mark) and didn’t get ahold of the older gospels to burn them (like they did to Marcion’s Bible and his Antithesis) before they were spread out of control.

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you hate God

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I don’t hate “God”. I just realize that what you are calling “God”, Paul called the “god of this world” and it is that god who is the evil creator, that god tried to temp Jesus on the mountain, that god is the god of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, Elisha, etc. in John Jesus says no one has ever seen his father, and I know you know that, and I know you know the patriarchs of the Old Testament met “God” face to face. That god would be “Satan” to the gospel writers, including canonical gospels but also non-canonical.

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I checked about two dozen translations and didn’t find a reference to the eleven. Not even footnotes about a textual variation. Care to provide a link or reference to what you found?

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Catholic 1 Corinthians Chapter 15

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I probably didn’t respond because I said what I said and so did you and there a further discussion on the subject was fruitless. Your illogical and unscientific opinions aren’t proving me wrong

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I'm interpreting the Bible based on its own context, showing objectively that its own language is proving you wrong every time. You keep throwing out "contradictions" and I keep showing you how they are not logical contradictions. Instead of refuting me, you move on to the next lie.

Must be nice to be able to make a false claim and then not have to support while saying "further discussion on the subject (is) fruitless".

That's also an interesting tactic because in the prior response, you called me out for not responding to you, as if you expected me to engage with your poor argumentation, while then ignoring my response and then saying you "said what [you] said" (and were done responding). Why the double standard?

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You see, the Bible says two different things. The priests bought it. Judas bought it.

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You see, the Bible uses language very similar to we do in every day parlance. I can lend my son money to buy a car and both of us can say we bought the car; there is no logical contradiction there. All an alleged contradiction requires is a probably explanation and it goes away. It's not necessarily a contradiction if it can be resolved, and I don't even need to show that the explanation is correct, only that it could be correct, and if it could be correct, then a contradiction isn't necessary.

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There’s a problem with your bloated body idea too. Acts says he fell head-first. Judas couldn’t have banged himself and then fell head-first into the field.

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Why not? If he hanged himself in a tree and he went up high enough, or if the tree was on a small cliff in the field, he could have rotated in the air if the rope (or branch) broke. It could be possible that if the rope were long enough, he could have been decapitated and his innards came out that way. There are a few different possibilities that can harmonize the accounts, and as I just said, all that is needed to dispel a contradiction is a plausible explanation. You don't need to be convinced of it for it to be valid.

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To me the only plausible explanation is that the writer of Luke/Acts intended to overwrite and supersede Matthew (and Mark) and didn’t get ahold of the older gospels to burn them (like they did to Marcion’s Bible and his Antithesis) before they were spread out of control.

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Just because you reject a plausible explanation doesn't mean it's not plausible. You're not offering a rebuttal here. You're just speculating on other unproven conjectures that you hope to be true to further justify your unbelief. You need to repent of your rejection of God's Word and put your trust in Jesus Christ before you perish in your sins and suffer for eternity under the wrath of your creator.

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I don’t hate “God”. I just realize that what you are calling “God”, Paul called the “god of this world” and it is that god who is the evil creator, that god tried to temp Jesus on the mountain, that god is the god of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, Elisha, etc. in John Jesus says no one has ever seen his father, and I know you know that, and I know you know the patriarchs of the Old Testament met “God” face to face. That god would be “Satan” to the gospel writers, including canonical gospels but also non-canonical.

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I already addressed this in a previous post that you refuse to respond to. Satan is not God and God is not Satan. Satan is a created being while God is eternal.

And yes, you do hate God, your creator. You are trying with everything in you to justify your rejection and suppression of the truth for the same reason why criminals hide from the police. You are guilty of treason against the King of creation and you deserve everlasting death.

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Catholic 1 Corinthians Chapter 15

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Thank you for providing this. There are textual variants that the Latin Vulgate used that most others don't, which is why there is a discrepancy in the translations.