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The 501(c)(3) Trojan Horse in the American Church (another LBJ gift)
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:24 am
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:24 am
IRS
There are many other reasons the modern church (Catholic and Protestant) has become so neutered, feminized, and completely ineffective at battling spiritual warfare. But the 1954 measure introduced by LBJ was the beginning of alot of what we see in the Church.
We see this alot of times where a Pastor says something like "we don't talk about politics, just Scripture". As if they aren't supposed to apply Scripture to the world around us. And many Homilies and Sermons have simply turned into self help, TED talks with a little scripture sprinkled in it.
Straight from the IRS website. They have "enforcement" over 501C3 churches
So basically these churches can't speak from the pulpit about the world around them, and how culture, faith, and politics are all intertwined.
There are many other reasons the modern church (Catholic and Protestant) has become so neutered, feminized, and completely ineffective at battling spiritual warfare. But the 1954 measure introduced by LBJ was the beginning of alot of what we see in the Church.
We see this alot of times where a Pastor says something like "we don't talk about politics, just Scripture". As if they aren't supposed to apply Scripture to the world around us. And many Homilies and Sermons have simply turned into self help, TED talks with a little scripture sprinkled in it.
Straight from the IRS website. They have "enforcement" over 501C3 churches
quote:
The ban on political campaign activity by charities and churches was created by Congress more than a half century ago. The Internal Revenue Service administers the tax laws written by Congress and has enforcement authority over tax-exempt organizations.
So basically these churches can't speak from the pulpit about the world around them, and how culture, faith, and politics are all intertwined.
quote:
In 1954, Congress approved an amendment by Sen. Lyndon Johnson to prohibit 501(c)(3) organizations, which includes charities and churches, from engaging in any political campaign activity. To the extent Congress has revisited the ban over the years, it has in fact strengthened the ban. The most recent change came in 1987 when Congress amended the language to clarify that the prohibition also applies to statements opposing candidates.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 7:26 am
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:27 am to burger bearcat
They might want to notify the black churches, especially in Chicago
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:27 am to burger bearcat
My priest went off on cancel culture and the harms of it for 15 straight minutes when that was gaining steam in 2020.
Guess he doesn't care about the irs
Guess he doesn't care about the irs
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:28 am to burger bearcat
This does not affect Democrat leaning churches because they campaign from the pulpit a lot.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:28 am to Shotgun Willie
quote:
The ban on political campaign activity by charities and churches was created by Congress more than a half century ago.
And yet it still only applies to certain organizations stumping for certain political affiliations.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:29 am to burger bearcat
Listen to Tony Evans Kingdom voter series.
He addresses it better than anywhere else I have heard.
He addresses it better than anywhere else I have heard.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:29 am to burger bearcat
quote:
So basically these churches can't speak from the pulpit about the world around them, and how culture, faith, and politics are all intertwined.
Sure they can but they can't operate as a 501c3
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:30 am to burger bearcat
Not to single out any specific group, but aren’t minority based churches famous for preaching politics and endorsing individual politicians from the pulpit? In fact, it seems they are lauded for such “activism.”
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:38 am to burger bearcat
Depends what church one attends. I have attended a couple of churches that speak about politics, of course using carefully crafted words.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:51 am to lake chuck fan
basically churches have sold themselves out,no politics from the pulpit,for tax free status
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:53 am to lake chuck fan
the irs would be much more concerned about churches speaking from the right than from the left. democrats routinely speak in black churches. you know, republicans have controlled both houses and the white house and could have changed that but didn't.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 7:56 am
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Sure they can but they can't operate as a 501c3
unless their membership is of a certain darker hue
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:00 am to dakarx
quote:
And yet it still only applies to certain organizations stumping for certain political affiliations.
It’s all subjective, like the SEC refs and their holding calls against Alabama.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:03 am to burger bearcat
The DEMs have politically weaponized the government, the media, etc.....why not churches!
The LEFT is evil, and will do anything to stay in power and collect the votes of the weakest sheep they can find, or create.
The deep state and the DC swamp is for real.
The LEFT is evil, and will do anything to stay in power and collect the votes of the weakest sheep they can find, or create.
The deep state and the DC swamp is for real.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:20 am to burger bearcat
I don’t see how not being able to endorse a particular candidate from the pulpit means that the church had been neutered because of that. Our pastor preaches against sin and conformity to the world in some way in every sermon and nothing about it is “political”.
The neutering of the church has to do with the abandonment of the Scriptures as the sole authority for faith and life, and a refusal to call sin sin as to not offend people. If churches would exercise the authority they’ve been entrusted with in the keys of the kingdom through the gospel and church discipline, we might see a change in our culture. That has nothing to do with being able to endorse someone for President.
The neutering of the church has to do with the abandonment of the Scriptures as the sole authority for faith and life, and a refusal to call sin sin as to not offend people. If churches would exercise the authority they’ve been entrusted with in the keys of the kingdom through the gospel and church discipline, we might see a change in our culture. That has nothing to do with being able to endorse someone for President.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:26 am to burger bearcat
The media has no competition. It is known as the Johnson Amendment because he saw the power of the pulpit while running for office. BUT IT HAS NO TEETH!!
Thousands of churches cooperated in an effort several years ago and actively promoted political morality. The IRS did nothing. Even Trump, when running in 2016, said he would get rid of the Johnson Amendment.
What society has produced are priests, pastors, reverends, and brothers only in it for the money. It is hard enough to preach the spiritual message and when combided with political thought and policy, flocks often wander.
But since the Johnson Amendment, American media power has grown tremendously while the church has waned substantially in our society.
Thousands of churches cooperated in an effort several years ago and actively promoted political morality. The IRS did nothing. Even Trump, when running in 2016, said he would get rid of the Johnson Amendment.
What society has produced are priests, pastors, reverends, and brothers only in it for the money. It is hard enough to preach the spiritual message and when combided with political thought and policy, flocks often wander.
But since the Johnson Amendment, American media power has grown tremendously while the church has waned substantially in our society.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:32 am to FooManChoo
quote:
That has nothing to do with being able to endorse someone for President.
If you think that's all it is, you are mistaken. That was how it was originally framed in 1954, but there have been a number of updates, and the IRS has made it know to Churches they are being monitored for anything that might be deemed "political".
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I never realized that the items listed in the first amendment were mutually excusive.
Sure they can but they can't operate as a 501c3
Does this mean if you're a journalist, you lose your freedom to practice your religion?
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 8:46 am
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:11 am to burger bearcat
quote:Eh. Our Deacon at St. I Don’t Want To Dox Myself pretty much said vote for Trump or risk Eternal fire.
So basically these churches can't speak from the pulpit about the world around them, and how culture, faith, and politics are all intertwined.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:20 am to Taxing Authority
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Does this mean if you're a journalist, you lose your freedom to practice your religion?
If you're a journalist who voluntarily accepted a role running a 501c3? Yes. You can't make certain political statements within that role.
Churches make this choice. We all make voluntary choices giving up rights for stuff daily.
A church can be a political as it wants if it remains untied to special tax statuses.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 9:21 am
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