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The 501(c)(3) Trojan Horse in the American Church (another LBJ gift)

Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:24 am
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:24 am
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There are many other reasons the modern church (Catholic and Protestant) has become so neutered, feminized, and completely ineffective at battling spiritual warfare. But the 1954 measure introduced by LBJ was the beginning of alot of what we see in the Church.

We see this alot of times where a Pastor says something like "we don't talk about politics, just Scripture". As if they aren't supposed to apply Scripture to the world around us. And many Homilies and Sermons have simply turned into self help, TED talks with a little scripture sprinkled in it.

Straight from the IRS website. They have "enforcement" over 501C3 churches

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The ban on political campaign activity by charities and churches was created by Congress more than a half century ago. The Internal Revenue Service administers the tax laws written by Congress and has enforcement authority over tax-exempt organizations.



So basically these churches can't speak from the pulpit about the world around them, and how culture, faith, and politics are all intertwined.

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In 1954, Congress approved an amendment by Sen. Lyndon Johnson to prohibit 501(c)(3) organizations, which includes charities and churches, from engaging in any political campaign activity. To the extent Congress has revisited the ban over the years, it has in fact strengthened the ban. The most recent change came in 1987 when Congress amended the language to clarify that the prohibition also applies to statements opposing candidates.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 7:26 am
Posted by Shotgun Willie
Member since Apr 2016
3781 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:27 am to
They might want to notify the black churches, especially in Chicago
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68313 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:27 am to
My priest went off on cancel culture and the harms of it for 15 straight minutes when that was gaining steam in 2020.

Guess he doesn't care about the irs
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:28 am to
This does not affect Democrat leaning churches because they campaign from the pulpit a lot.
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
6844 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:28 am to
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The ban on political campaign activity by charities and churches was created by Congress more than a half century ago.


And yet it still only applies to certain organizations stumping for certain political affiliations.
Posted by joeyjoejoeshabadoo
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Member since Aug 2020
429 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:29 am to
Listen to Tony Evans Kingdom voter series.
He addresses it better than anywhere else I have heard.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422561 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:29 am to
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So basically these churches can't speak from the pulpit about the world around them, and how culture, faith, and politics are all intertwined.


Sure they can but they can't operate as a 501c3
Posted by Lou the Jew from LSU
Member since Oct 2006
4706 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:30 am to
Not to single out any specific group, but aren’t minority based churches famous for preaching politics and endorsing individual politicians from the pulpit? In fact, it seems they are lauded for such “activism.”
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:38 am to
Depends what church one attends. I have attended a couple of churches that speak about politics, of course using carefully crafted words.
Posted by Bayoutigre
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Member since Feb 2007
5621 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:51 am to
basically churches have sold themselves out,no politics from the pulpit,for tax free status
Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
1828 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:53 am to
the irs would be much more concerned about churches speaking from the right than from the left. democrats routinely speak in black churches. you know, republicans have controlled both houses and the white house and could have changed that but didn't.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 7:56 am
Posted by rhar61
Member since Nov 2022
5109 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:53 am to
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Sure they can but they can't operate as a 501c3



unless their membership is of a certain darker hue
Posted by araminta
Tennessee, USA
Member since Apr 2005
423 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:00 am to
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And yet it still only applies to certain organizations stumping for certain political affiliations.


It’s all subjective, like the SEC refs and their holding calls against Alabama.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15476 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:03 am to
The DEMs have politically weaponized the government, the media, etc.....why not churches!

The LEFT is evil, and will do anything to stay in power and collect the votes of the weakest sheep they can find, or create.

The deep state and the DC swamp is for real.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41680 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:20 am to
I don’t see how not being able to endorse a particular candidate from the pulpit means that the church had been neutered because of that. Our pastor preaches against sin and conformity to the world in some way in every sermon and nothing about it is “political”.

The neutering of the church has to do with the abandonment of the Scriptures as the sole authority for faith and life, and a refusal to call sin sin as to not offend people. If churches would exercise the authority they’ve been entrusted with in the keys of the kingdom through the gospel and church discipline, we might see a change in our culture. That has nothing to do with being able to endorse someone for President.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
8721 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:26 am to
The media has no competition. It is known as the Johnson Amendment because he saw the power of the pulpit while running for office. BUT IT HAS NO TEETH!!

Thousands of churches cooperated in an effort several years ago and actively promoted political morality. The IRS did nothing. Even Trump, when running in 2016, said he would get rid of the Johnson Amendment.

What society has produced are priests, pastors, reverends, and brothers only in it for the money. It is hard enough to preach the spiritual message and when combided with political thought and policy, flocks often wander.

But since the Johnson Amendment, American media power has grown tremendously while the church has waned substantially in our society.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8855 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:32 am to
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That has nothing to do with being able to endorse someone for President.


If you think that's all it is, you are mistaken. That was how it was originally framed in 1954, but there have been a number of updates, and the IRS has made it know to Churches they are being monitored for anything that might be deemed "political".
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57263 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:45 am to
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Sure they can but they can't operate as a 501c3
I never realized that the items listed in the first amendment were mutually excusive.

Does this mean if you're a journalist, you lose your freedom to practice your religion?
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 8:46 am
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
7464 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:11 am to
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So basically these churches can't speak from the pulpit about the world around them, and how culture, faith, and politics are all intertwined.
Eh. Our Deacon at St. I Don’t Want To Dox Myself pretty much said vote for Trump or risk Eternal fire.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422561 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:20 am to
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Does this mean if you're a journalist, you lose your freedom to practice your religion?

If you're a journalist who voluntarily accepted a role running a 501c3? Yes. You can't make certain political statements within that role.

Churches make this choice. We all make voluntary choices giving up rights for stuff daily.

A church can be a political as it wants if it remains untied to special tax statuses.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 9:21 am
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