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the final words of Jesus

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Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

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It is finished.

I thought his final words were Eli Eli Lama Sabachtani - My God my God why have you abandoned me? I’m quite certain we were singing that in church the week before Easter. Quite certain.
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In other words, Mohammad had zero witnesses write about his life while he was living

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the Bible is always there for a reality check

Do verses like this
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10He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness. 11The pillars of heaven tremble and are astounded at his rebuke.

…that describe the biblical flat earth cosmology with the solid dome of the firmament sitting atop the earth on great pillars give you confidence that the Bible is consistent with our reality?
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But it has to be the right type of Christianity, right? Which coincidentally also happens to be the one that you follow.

Foo would probably say no, that a Christian is a Christian that can be saved (or is saved). But he wouldn’t consider Catholic, Episcopalian, Orthodox, Tawahedo, Coptic, Jehovah’s Witnesses, or Mormons to be Christian.
Firstly, what’s going on with the news caster hiring process? It’s already odd that the woman is overweight and unattractive, but she cannot even read from a script without making constant errors.

Secondly, the Matriarch FAFO’d. Her daughter is liable to end up just like her as stupidity seems to run in that family.

re: Gas hits $4.15 pg

Posted by Squirrelmeister on 5/21/26 at 9:40 pm to
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I retired at age 70. That was 7 years ago. I am still retired. I am one of the dreaded Boomers, and proud of it. Glad you and LA politicos are getting rich off of $5 per gal gas. But no we don’t all win from this.

Well dad gummit you are right. Anyone on a fixed income without investments isn’t going to like inflation and rising energy costs.
The Muslims are just a sect of Christians which are a sect of the Israelite religion that branched off a common ancestral religion that also gave rise to Judaism. Selling their daughters is a cultural phenomenon and has been for thousands of years.

Exodus 21
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When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter.


Deuteronomy 22
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If a man meets a virgin who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are caught in the act, the man who lay with her shall give fifty shekels of silver to the young woman’s father, and she shall become his wife. Because he violated her he shall not be permitted to divorce her as long as he lives.

re: Gas hits $4.15 pg

Posted by Squirrelmeister on 5/21/26 at 8:16 pm to
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I voted for MAGA but don't see how any of this helps any of us.

What do you do for a living? As the cost of energy goes up, I make more money. Every time I smell diesel exhaust, I smell money. I don’t mind filling up ay $5/gal. High energy cost is good for the Louisiana economy. It makes it more profitable to get it out of the ground in Louisiana. The refiners make more money along the Mississippi and Calcasieu rivers. The LNG industry in Cameron and Port Sulphur are killing it. There’s a lot of supporting businesses and pass through. We all win, even though food and fuel costs more.
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My parents read this , and many other books, to me when I was a toddler before bedtime. I can’t find a copy today. It must have been cancelled.

Try Amazon
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You are describing a contradiction to what is taught in the Bible rather than merely information being left out of the Bible. Alien life on other planets would be something that is not mentioned in the Bible but not contradictory to its claims.

Wrong.

The Bible describes a flat disk shaped earth built on pillars on top of a chaotic ocean, with another ocean on top of an extremely hard and strong dome shaped firmament above the flat disk. It describes all the things in the heavens - the sun, moon, and stars (no difference between stars and planets in the Bible) to be contained within the firmament.

The biblical cosmological model precludes there being other worlds from where aliens could come.
If you need cancer treatment or surgery, are you going to opt for a white or Asian doctor who had to beat out all the DEIs, or are you going to pick a DEI doctor? Despite some DEI types being intelligent, skilled, and experienced, why take a chance on one of them? The problem is the system.

The world isn’t fair. Population groups are different and have different characteristics. Some are better than others at certain things. It’s science actually.
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You have bought into a lie that will lead you straight to Hell if you don't repent

Ah yes, eternal conscious torment. Not in any of the Old Testament scripture. Not even unambiguous in the NT canon…

BUT…

It is unambiguously in 1 Enoch. Bravo, Foo.

ETA: You suffer from the same illness as the men who think they are a woman because they put on a dress. Psychotic Delusions put your mind into a false reality.
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I already mentioned how even in thew new heavens and the new earth (with all other heavenly bodies (including planets) destroyed)

Those little lights up in the firmament.
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we will reign with Christ and even judge angels

Definitely didn’t come from Enochian literature though, right?
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Many angels also fell into sin with no hope of redemption

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Paul went on from there (in Romans) to talk about the law in chapter 2, where both Jews (who were given the law) and Gentiles (who were not given the law) both are condemned by the law because the law of God is written on our hearts (2:15)

Guess the oldest Jewish source of this idea that Yahweh is concerned with the gentiles.
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Animals are not guilty of sin for spilling blood

1 Enoch is where the tradition comes that animals were herbivores before the flood. Lots of Christians believe this to this day but it isn’t rooted in their Bible but in 1 Enoch.

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You are quite exceptional for the amount of hubris you exhibit.

That’s rich coming from you.

Haven’t you figured out your tales of the man Jesus are totally fabricated non-historical allegory?

You are one of the most knowledgeable persons on the Bible on this forum, not on the meaning or history, but on the English words contained within it. Yet you can’t come to grips with the fact that it’s not a historical account, but a piece of literature written as the author is omniscient - knowing exactly the thoughts and words said between the devil and Jesus who were on a mountain just the two of them, and knowing of everything that happened at the empty tomb despite the women running away in fear and telling no one - in a chiasmic ring structure with many of the tales of Jesus taken from Homeric epics and the legends of the prophets of the Old Testament such as Elijah, Jonah, Joshua, and Moses.

Why are you still in this thread arguing with SFP? :lol:
Why are you worried about gas when, as a man, you should be driving a diesel?
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You got a boat? I’m looking at an 18’ Xpress with a Johnson 2-stroke 150. I like freshwater fishing, and I’m about done with fiberglass repair.

I feel like I did a boatload of fishing when I was a kid, and it’s not that I don’t like it, but would prefer to spend my time on dry land (chasing mammals, not fish) and on vibrating apparatuses with wheels and tires. But you know how some things stick in your memory? Just about every huge redfish I hooked that broke my line - I can remember those instances vividly.
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I feel like this ultraterrestrial hypothesis fits the evidence best making the fewest assumptions. We aren't dealing with people from distant planets. We are dealing with an ancient, advanced civilization from right here. I also feel like they've moved underground. I feel like they likely access their underground dwelling areas under the sea.

That’d be something - some hyper advanced sea-dwelling highly evolved birds or platypus or alligator like species.
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those are fictitious on par with elves and leprechauns and ghosts.
There it is. Presupposed bias, dressed up with mockery.

Or is it that you presuppose I am mocking because of your bias? Some people believe in elves and leprechauns and especially ghosts. The Bible says King Saul spoke to the ghost of Samuel. The Bible polemicizes against necromancy and summoning and communicating with ghosts. I’m just saying that angels and demons are fictitious and on par with other fictitious imagined creatures.

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Jesus is not a fictional character in a made up story.

You wrote that pretty matter of factly. Like what you wrote is a fact. I am just as convinced and would also consider it a fact that the Jesus character is fictitious. The only exception that makes sense to me is if the great archangel and firstborn son of God that Philo and Paul (who had the alleged revelation that none before had that the archangel was killed and resurrected and then named Iesous and highly exalted) and other Christians were already worshipping got associated with a crazy apocalyptic preacher possibly also named Iesous or Yeshu as that was already a common name.

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And you’re pretty dogmatic about it.

Nope, I have no dogma. The truth is what the evidence supports, whether I like it or not.

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Hopefully I meet the angels I think you’re closer than you think. I’m pulling for you!

Better to meet them than the cherubim, or seraphim, or ophanim, or Yahweh himself who supposedly can’t be seen else the sight of him would kill you. Why do you think in one of the fictional tales of Jesus’ nativity, the angel tells Mary “be not afraid”? She was probably thinking “Holy Crap! I sure hope that isn’t Adonai because I’m about to die!”

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All evidence points to the fact that the universe began to exist.

I’m not sure what you are talking about. Not one legitimate scientist believes the universe began to exist. Matter can neither be created or destroyed. Energy too for that matter.

Peace.
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I am involved with data centers (DTC)

Doubtful based on your comments.

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Most of the entities constructing DTC do so in parallel with solar generation, wind where appropriate

Negative

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and battery storage (BESS)

This is to do two things.
1. Ride through momentary utility outages
2. Stabilize power demand due to fast load changes caused by AI chipset learning

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A lot of people hate the DTC, because of the perceived water use for cooling.

It isn’t just perceived. They use a shite load of water in reality (shite load of power too).
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That is a statement of faith. One that not only lacks evidence, but all evidence points to the contrary. It doesn’t mean it’s wrong, though. Sound familiar? Just messing with you.

I’ll be honest with you- I would rather not believe. If there are alien life forms, there would certainly be a risk of them viewing us as an infestation of an otherwise good world of resources. Ever seen Independence Day?

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Why not? Seriously. I’m curious.

Think about how around 74,000 years ago the Toba super volcano erupted in Indonesia causing a genetic bottleneck - it was so bad that there were only a few thousand humans left alive. What if that were to happen today? Only the most primitive tribes in the Amazon and Africa might survive because they are the only ones that know how to survive without technology. Modern humans have had our level of intelligence for a couple hundred thousand years. Only in the last hundred did we figure out how to harness electromagnetic energy to communicate. Maybe in the next couple thousand years a comet wipes out 99% of humanity. In order to communicate across the galaxy and across galaxies, intelligent life would have to send out a communication and by the time it would be received, the sender’s civilization and maybe even their planet and solar system are long gone.

The distances are too vast. The only possible way to communicate or to have intergalactic travel would be to figure out how to survive in space indefinitely and figure out how to fold space time which based on our current understanding of science is about impossible.

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How do you know they’re not angels or demons? Are you open to that possibility?

Angels and demons are fictive classes of divine beings created in the imagination of ancient peoples. Could they be some type of life that we might consider supernatural? Maybe. But they aren’t and can’t be the angels and demons of the Bible because those are fictitious on par with elves and leprechauns and ghosts.

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You already have. “Anything or anyone but Jesus.”

No not just Jesus. Not Odysseus neither, or Tom Saywer or Iron Man.

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You most certainly do- one singular dogma, that rules you to your core. It is not just dogma- it’s your identity. You need Christianity to be false.

I don’t need anything. I have no dogma. Wherever the evidence supports, whether I like it or not, or whether it is convenient or inconvenient, I will acknowledge facts and the reality.

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Me too. But what if they’re angels/demons?

Hopefully I meet the angels and not the daimons. Hah. Well just kidding. The daimons are better than meeting the angel in 1 Chronicles 21:15-17. Daimons were simply lesser gods that weren’t even evil in Greek mythology. Some were good and some were mischievous but they were subordinate to the higher ranked deities.
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There is a growing number of scholars who admit Jesus was a complete myth.
this is pure BS - the OVERWHELMING view of scholars is that there was a historical Jesus

It’s not BS. You’re confused. There is absolutely a growing number of scholars who admit Jesus was a myth, while at the same time still the majority defends the position that Jesus was a historical person.

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Even Bart Erman (dude is going to have quote the millstone tied around his neck when he dies - I'd hate to be him) says it's irrefutable that there was ahistorical Jesus.

Have you heard his arguments??? He says the gospels are completely unreliable about anything historical, that outside the gospels the historical Jesus isn’t really mentioned, that Josephus’ blurbs about Jesus were Christian additions. Basically he says there is no reliable information at all about Jesus, but come on man he must’ve existed. It’s an awful argument and isn’t scholarly. At best he should say there’s no way to know but he leans towards a historical model, but he acts like mythicists are idiots. He’s the idiot.

His colleagues and peers I’m positive are mythicists but they don’t want to offend the guy they idolize. After the older scholars kick the bucket in the next 15 years the mythicists will come out of the closet and it will be mainstream.