Squirrelmeister

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He's doing it with you too, huh?

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He’s like a program with a memory leak running an infinite loop with a 8086 cpu. He can’t even make up his mind on what he believes, but he knows his believes to be the “Truth”.

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I already acknowledged that you cannot lay claim to objective morality.

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Neither can you, Foo, because there is absolutely no objective morality contained within the Bible. Why do you always try to create a straw man? None of us atheists claim we have a source objective morality. Just stop your dishonesty.

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The flood had multiple purposes.

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The global flood is not a historical event. It could never have happened, and we know positively it did not happen. It is borrowed from Babylonian/Sumerian myth.

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God destroyed His own creations (which He had every prerogative to do, as God) for their sinfulness while showing mercy to Noah

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In their mythology, because that’s what it is, Elohim flooded the earth to kill the Nephilim - the race of demigods created when some of the sons of El (the watchers) raped human women. God made a huge mistake - he could have made angel sperm incompatible with human eggs, or just made his angels androgynous without a wiener. He didn’t think that far ahead, because this is all silly fairytale stuff.

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By application, you shouldn't even hint at a condemnation of God's actions in destroying people--children or otherwise--during the flood, because you have no standard by which to say that such a thing is wrong. The best you can do is say that it seems unpleasant to you and to others.

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The standard is the consensus of others’ thoughts about what is right and wrong, based on “good” being something that increases happiness or wellbeing or decreases unnecessary suffering, or both. It’s still subjective, but you can’t say there is no such thing as right and wrong without your God’s existence. And to reiterate… you do not have an objective standard either, because there is no objectivity contained within the Bible. I’m not going to waste my time giving you examples because you sheepishly and cowardly have not responded the last several times I gave them to you (we all know though it’s because you don’t have a leg on which to stand).

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Leonidas and his men did not make the ultimate sacrifice for nothing.

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And Judaism and Christianity wouldn’t exist today without the Persians.

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Yes sir occasionally I do have to open bottles for her. Good point and something I’ve thought about. She had surgery on one of her hands years ago.

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That’s why many women, especially older women with weak grip strength, need a revolver.

If she is in fight or flight and needed to clear a jam from a pistol she might not be able to grip it. On the other hand, a revolver, while having less rounds, won’t jam.

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there it is the protestant herod fantasy, now tell us about jesus' brothers and sisters! then tell us about mary and joseph did a little dance, made a little love and got down tonight!

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i'll take things that only appear in a single gospel and can't be independently verified for a thousand alex.

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you translated the bible into english and you protestants found all kinds of goofy schit in it.

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Man I have no idea what you are talking about. :lol:

Par for the course I guess with you guys and your incoherent arguments. :lol:

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Oh look, someone ChatGPTed

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You and Sally can’t imagine someone being learned on a subject and making coherent, logical arguments. It’s sad, really. The two of you must be on a 6th grade reading level.

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Bart Ehrman

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He’s a biblical apologist making the same fallacious assertions as the fervent believers. Some of his:

- Lots of manuscripts were written about Jesus, therefore he must have existed.

- All four gospels are written in Greek in epic fashion (like Homer’s Odyssey) and none of it should be taken as historical… except that a “kernel of truth” does exist in them and Jesus really existed and probably was a traveling preacher and probably really pissed off some people and got executed under Pontius Pilate.

- Jesus had a brother for crying out loud. Paul even said James was Jesus’ literal biological brother! He must have existed.

- Paul says Jesus was born of a woman, and that he was of the seed of David, and that he had a supper with bread and wine! He must have been a human on earth!

- Why invent a crucified messiah? (Criterion of embarrassment - a favorite apologist argument of the likes of William Lane Craig, Frank Turek, and Gary Habermas)

- There’s no record of Jews “humanizing” mythical deities! Jesus must’ve been a real dude on earth!

So here’s the problem with Bart. He’s as close minded and dug in as all of you. I think there’s a real chance though he knows he’s full of shite and just wants to protect his status and book income.

- Stories of Achilles, and Odysseus, and Osiris, and Hercules exist. Lots of copies. It doesn’t make those mythical characters real historical people - same for Jesus. Heck, some sects of Jews were worshipping Jesus long before Paul. Since you like using ChatGPT so much, why don’t you ask it to compare Philo of Alexandria’s beliefs about the Logos with Paul and the authors of Revelation and Hebrews.

- Ehrman knows the gospels are mythical tales, and can’t be trusted for anything historical, and knows they all copied off one another and were not independent eyewitness sources, yet still falls victim to believing there’s some truth in them.

- Bart knows the argument - that all Christians are brothers of each other and of Christ and are all sons of the most high God. The Bible says so many times. But… when Paul says James the brother of the Lord, he means literal biological brother! Just in that one circumstance with no justification. Bart is patently stupid about this if he wasn’t just being an a-hole.

- Paul wrote that Jesus was made of woman, not born of a woman. Paul knew the Jewish idiom “born of a woman” and often used that word “born” in his letters but purposely chose not to use “born” when referring to Jesus. He also wrote that he was made of the sperm of David. Now, this could be a literal body made of David’s literal sperm (the Zoroastrian’s had the same concept of their savior being given a body crafted of the sperm of Zoroaster that had been preserved by Ahura Mazda their deity). Or it could be a figurative descendent… like when Paul says all Christians (even gentile Christians) are of the seed of Abraham.

- Jews believed that heaven and earth were like mirror images or copies of one another. There were houses, castles, trees, animals, food, etc in heaven just as on earth. When Jesus ate bread and wine in Paul’s vision, there was no one else at the table. It was Jesus alone. No disciples. There’s part of a common prayer that should give you a hint… “on earth, as it is in heaven…”

- Bart just ignores the fact that the Egyptians, around the time of Paul, invented a gospel of the historical Osiris on earth. Osiris and Jesus have a lot of parallels. Plutarch wrote that for the new converts, they got the story of the historical Osiris being a real Pharoah and doing miracles and great deeds on earth, but that when they were mature in their faith they got the “real” story of Osiris being a celestial deity crucified in heaven and resurrected defeating death and sin. And we know what Paul thought about Jesus just a couple hundred miles away in Palestine… Jesus was made a body of flesh, made low, descended into the lowest heaven, was killed by the archons in the firmament, then was resurrected by his father and highly exalted and then earned his name Jesus.

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That's his only purpose on this board. Obfuscate matters of faith with side quests of meaningless

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You are either incapable of critical thinking or you simply refuse. The world would be a better place if people traded their own gullibility for honesty and evidenced based reason.

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copy pasta

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You’re not even understanding any of my arguments. Personally I think it’s because you don’t want to try. Knowing more about your reality might frighten you. Ignorance is bliss for you, and that’s sad. Oh, and anything I’ve ever copied from any other place is quoted with proper attribution. The source I copy from the most is the ESV Bible on biblehub.com. If you think anything I wrote this morning on this topic was copied from any place or source, good luck finding that source… it would be a miracle, literally.

Wake us up when the bad guys are in prison.

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Because the democratic party is contrary to the beliefs of Christians and Jews. It is very much in line with the groups you added.

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How so? Do Muslims promote LGBTQ and women in leadership?

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Most accounts have the “inn” was probably a guest room. It is a more popular translation for the word.

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There was no room at the “inn”, but in the account of Matthew, Mary and Joseph already lived in Bethlehem giving birth to Jesus in (presumably their own) house. The Zoroastrian priests from Persia bring the gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh to Jesus where he is… in a house. Not an animal feed trough.