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Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:37 am to cssamerican
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It’s not insurrection because they only instructed them to not to obey unconstitutional illegal orders,
Agreed. I'm not agreeing with Dems on this, but it isn't sedatious conspiracy nor insurrection.
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The exact statutory definition is:“If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.”
In simpler terms:Seditious conspiracy occurs when two or more people agree (conspire) to use force to:Overthrow or destroy the U.S. government,
Wage war against the United States,
Forcibly oppose the government’s authority,
Block the execution of federal laws by force, or
Seize U.S. property by force against lawful authority.
Key points:It requires a conspiracy (an agreement + some overt act),
The planned use of force is essential (mere words or peaceful protest do not qualify),
Maximum penalty: 20 years in prison
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:45 am to Timeoday
That is concerning.
I haven’t seen or heard of any illegal orders lately.
- former US Army
I haven’t seen or heard of any illegal orders lately.
- former US Army
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:48 am to Timeoday
Stephen Miller getting on camera and ridiculously overreacting to something is getting old. Dude should just come post on here because that would add more value to the admin than him crying on TV like he's fresh out of midol.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:59 am to RohanGonzales
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Lakeboy7
Are you capable of anything other than idiocy?
He's a flaming homo from NOLA. What do you think?
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:18 am to Timeoday
So, I would ask these "Insurrectionist pushers", who makes the decision that an order is unlawful or unconstitutional? A soldier can not make that decision.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:21 am to antibarner
I'm against the extrajudicial executions, but I also think it's not for people under Trump to make that call.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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How can you be seditious while following the law?
Perhaps I missed it since I really don't read all of your half-million posts,
but
did you devote this much time detailing DJT's admonition to "peacefully assemble and support our congressmen who are going to introduce challenges to many of the electors" (do not recall the verbatim quote, but this is pretty darned close - certainly is the intent of his admonition)
YET
there has been four solid YEARs of "INSURRECTION!!" - "TREASON!! - "OVERTURNING A LEGITIMATE ELECTION" - bullshite shouted to the high heavens on here
and NOTHING from you about 'following the actual definitions of the words'
is it because you only enjoy toying with one side with your all-to-exact interpretation of certain words, while ignoring the others?
OR
Is it because the bleating of the left-leaning asshats on here are so inconceivably stupid that you don't feel the need to lower your high standards to even discuss them.
HOWEVER
some may interpret your decision to use all your firepower only in cluttering up discussions that show distaste for the Democrat narrative.
Reminder = this is a discussion board - where INTENT of a comment is FAR more instructive than the LITERAL DEFINITION OF EVERY WORD !!
It's really not hard to do - it is really easy to spot people who are actually ADVOCATING for doing illegal or even nasty things - as apart from wording that would be allowed in front of a jury.
We got it - you know a lot of legalese - we don't (usually) give a shite - we are not a jury - we know what is going on and we know what is meant by almost every word spoken here.
We would enjoy your wholehearted inputs on the CONCEPTs discussed - rather than the grammar lessons.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:43 am to antibarner
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THAT is seditious conspiracy...arrest them.
This admin is full of cucks so as per usual, nothing will happen.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:46 am to ChineseBandit58
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did you devote this much time detailing DJT's admonition to "peacefully assemble and support our congressmen who are going to introduce challenges to many of the electors"
I always said he never committed insurrection on J6
What he did was act like an idiot and fan the flames for a mob of idiots who then did lots of hoodrat things.
I never really put vicarious blame on Trump for that, though. I believe in personal responsibility, and those who acted violently on J6 deserved their punishments.
This was all in addition to acting like an idiot following his merry band of lawyers and charlatans pushing election lawsuits and conspiracies without evidence, but that's another discussion.
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there has been four solid YEARs of "INSURRECTION!!" - "TREASON!! - "OVERTURNING A LEGITIMATE ELECTION" - bullshite shouted to the high heavens on here
and NOTHING from you about 'following the actual definitions of the words'
Except, you're wrong.
And the media saying "insurrection" is literally irrelevant.
*ETA: and he did try to "overturn" a legitimate election and failed like 50+ times because he lacked any evidence for his claims. But, as I said above, that's a different discussion.
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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Exactly
What a world some live in. They want soldiers to be accompanied by a lawyer when taking orders.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:52 am to Timeoday
I chuckled at the "we've got your back" part. Dims have never had the military's back.....never.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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*ETA: and he did try to "overturn" a legitimate election and failed like 50+ times because he lacked any evidence for his claims. But, as I said above, that's a different discussion.
Who declared the election to be 'legitimate'
What you are saying is all "true" in lawyer-speak
BUT - none of it passed the 'common sense' sense test that governs how people lead their lives (when out of court of course)
The REAL TRUTH is that the election was never 'certified' other than by delaying any and all challenges to it long enough that all the deadlines passed.
That is the very definition of inexcusable 'lawfare' -
There were DOZENs of irregularities that would have NEVER been allowed to get out of the starting gate if the political axes were reversed.
off the top of my head:
- location of drop boxes in favorable areas
- ignoring mail in ballot verification processes
- extending acceptance times for receiving mail in ballots
- ballot harvesting
- tens of thousands of invalid voter addresses
- counting ballots without proper impartial monitoring
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The "insurrection" was a god-send for the democrats - without it they lose - it served as the mechanism to declare 'emergency' rules in the congress which prevented ANY official challenges to various slates of electors.
IF there had been no 'insurrection' then the challenges would have at least been aired out for the population to see and hear - and legislators would have to explain their position on them.
As it was - the whole kerfuffle has been labeled an "insurrection" - a word that has been worn out for the past 5 years and gives weak-hearted and idiotic dimcrats a one-word escape from any logical discussion of all the irregularities.
The 2020 election was the MOST irregular election ever held on this side of the Atlantic Ocean. NOTHING about it was properly implemented - and you know it.
Your insisting on 'legalese' in the discussion of all the problems only magnifies the number of pages devoted to sorting thru all the clutter.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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And the media saying "insurrection" is literally irrelevant.
The media saying insurrection gave them cover to try to prosecute Trump and keep him off ballots for insurrection.
It is literally relevant.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:36 am to G2160
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The media saying insurrection gave them cover to try to prosecute Trump and keep him off ballots for insurrection.
Those actions had nothing to do with media commentary, and they failed.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:29 am to SlowFlowPro
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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The American people need you to stand up for our laws and our Constitution.
They are openly implying that laws are being broken and the Constitution is being subverted. Neither is happening.
Had Biden ordered the military to remove barbed wire in Texas, that would have been breaking a law and subverting the Constitution. Biden's entire Southern Border policy was illegal. Giving government benefits to illegal aliens was illegal. Everyone of those people in that video supported them.
So, no, our laws and Constitution are not under attack. Our President is simply enforcing laws on the books. Enforcing those laws angers Democrats because it's hurting their strategy of violating and ignoring laws.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:04 am to Jbird
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4slowies the indy libertarian!
Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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How can you be seditious while following the law?
If you disobey and encourage troops to revolt over following legal orders, that is seditious. Whether you wrongfully think the orders are illegal or not. Nerd.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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but this is the statement quote: The American people need you to stand up for our laws and our Constitution.
Here is the transcript if anyone was wondering what the full statement was:
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**Elissa Slotkin:** I'm Senator Elissa Slotkin.
**Mark Kelly:** Senator Mark Kelly.
**Chris Deluzio:** Representative Chris Deluzio.
**Mikie Sherrill:** Congresswoman Mikie Sherrill.
**Chrissy Houlahan:** Representative Chrissy Houlahan.
**Jason Crow:** Congressman Jason Crow.
**[Cut to group split-screen; overlaid text: "That was a captain in the United States Navy. Former CIA officer. Former Navy. Former paratrooper and Army Ranger. Former intelligence officer. Former Air Force."]**
**Group (collectively, rotating speakers):** We want to speak directly to members of the military and the intelligence community who take risks each day to keep Americans safe.
We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now. Americans trust their military and intelligence community professionals.
But that trust is at risk. This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens.
Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad...
**[Overlaid text: "But from right here at home. Our laws are clear."]**
**Group:** But from right here at home. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You *must* refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law.
**[Overlaid text: "We know this is hard."]**
We know this is hard, and that it's a difficult time to be a public servant. But whether you're serving in the CIA, the Army, our Navy, the Air Force—your vigilance is critical.
**[Overlaid text: "Know we have your back."]**
Know that we have your back. And know that we, as Americans...
**[Closing sequence with dramatic music and full-screen text overlays building to the final phrase; rotating speakers emphasize the call to action]**
The American people need you. We need you to stand up for our laws and our Constitution.
Don't give up...
Don't give up...
Don't give up...
**Don't give up the ship.**
Excerpt:
quote:
This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens.
Like us, you all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad...But from right here at home.
Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You *must* refuse illegal orders.
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 10:10 am
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