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Russia and NATO
Posted on 10/2/22 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 10/2/22 at 11:46 pm
Can someone explain to me like I’m 5 because I’m not understanding.
Russia is never going to attack NATO for a plethora of reasons, so why are we doing all this shite for Ukraine? He’s not going past Ukraine.
Moscow, on the other hand, is like 250 miles from the border of Ukraine. So yea I’d assume Putin is a little concerned that Ukraine is flirting with joining NATO.
Bottom line: NATO is a threat to Russia, Russia is not a threat to NATO. So how in the hell can they justify damn near starting WW3 over an area where a lot of people still speak Russian anyway, and it was Russia not that many decades ago?
And if you think this is a “Russian apologist” view, take the red white and blue glasses off and look at facts and common sense. We shouldn’t be doing what we are doing.
Russia is never going to attack NATO for a plethora of reasons, so why are we doing all this shite for Ukraine? He’s not going past Ukraine.
Moscow, on the other hand, is like 250 miles from the border of Ukraine. So yea I’d assume Putin is a little concerned that Ukraine is flirting with joining NATO.
Bottom line: NATO is a threat to Russia, Russia is not a threat to NATO. So how in the hell can they justify damn near starting WW3 over an area where a lot of people still speak Russian anyway, and it was Russia not that many decades ago?
And if you think this is a “Russian apologist” view, take the red white and blue glasses off and look at facts and common sense. We shouldn’t be doing what we are doing.
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Posted on 10/2/22 at 11:51 pm to TigerAttorney
NATO is never going to attack Russia. There’s only one side who’s invading other countries militarily and it’s not NATO. Them being threatened by NATO is an excuse to try and get back land that they think belongs to them.
This has all been escalated by Russia for no good reason what so ever. Only one side was willing to let Ukraine dictate their future. Russia showed their hand and proved that NATO still needs to exist. Russia still hasn’t got out of the USSR stage.
This has all been escalated by Russia for no good reason what so ever. Only one side was willing to let Ukraine dictate their future. Russia showed their hand and proved that NATO still needs to exist. Russia still hasn’t got out of the USSR stage.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 11:54 pm to sta4ever
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Only one side was willing to let Ukraine dictate their future.
Exactly. Thats why we staged a coup there. And why Biden demanded they get rid of their Attorney General who was investigating his son or we were cutting off their gravy train.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 11:54 pm to TigerAttorney
American and Western oligarchs are dying to get back into Russia like they did after the fall of the USSR and exploit it like they have Ukraine. Putin is in their way.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 11:57 pm to LuckyTiger
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Exactly. Thats why we staged a coup there.
Russia staged coups there too. Why don’t you ever say anything about them?
The rest of your statement was US political BS, that has no relevance to the situation.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 11:59 pm to TigerAttorney
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Russia is never going to attack NATO for a plethora of reasons, so why are we doing all this shite for Ukraine? He’s not going past Ukraine.
Ukraine is the new Covid. That’s really all anyone needs to understand. The same assholes that captained the Covid shitshow, are now steering the Ukraine ship of fools. The retards that are all for saving democracy in Ukraine by signing over middle class economic power and personal freedoms in America are the same retards that ate up the masks, vaccines and lockdowns.
When the Ukraine’s shitshow is over, it’ll be onto the next existential threat. Probably climate change. Maybe trannies are being hunted by MAGA Republicans. Or it could be time for a BLM refresher.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 12:01 am
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:04 am to sta4ever
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Russia staged coups there too. Why don’t you ever say anything about them?
They did. They suck too. I have said numerous times that Russians are no good guys in this debacle.
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The rest of your statement was US political BS, that has no relevance to the situation.
Uh huh. Your statement said explicitly that we, the US, were the only ones that wanted Ukraine to determine its own future and independently run its own affairs. Then I pointed out how Biden went to Ukraine and told them that if they didn't fire their prosecutor that was investigating corruption between the US, Ukraine, and Burisma, that we were going to withhold aid to the tune of a billion plus dollars. You say those facts are BS and irrelevant.
I think that's all that needs to be said.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:05 am to David_DJS
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Ukraine is the new Covid. That’s really all anyone needs to understand. The same assholes that captained the Covid shitshow, are now steering the Ukraine ship of fools. The retards that are all for saving democracy in Ukraine by signing over middle class economic power and personal freedoms in America are the same retards that ate up the masks, vaccines and lockdowns. When the Ukraine’s shitshow is over, it’ll be onto the next existential threat. Probably climate change. Maybe trannies are being hunted by MAGA Republicans. Or it could be time for a BLM refresher.
This all day. Whatever reason our shitty corrupt government can come up with to print and launder more money. We didn’t leave Afghanistan without a plan for our real government Raytheon and Pfizer.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:09 am to LuckyTiger
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They did. They suck too. I have said numerous times that Russians are no good guys in this debacle.
You haven’t made a single point. You just keep spouting a bunch of hogwash.
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Uh huh. Your statement said explicitly that we, the US, were the only ones that wanted Ukraine to determine its own future and independently run its own affairs. Then I pointed out how Biden went to Ukraine and told them that if they didn't fire their prosecutor that was investigating corruption between the US, Ukraine, and Burisma, that we were going to withhold aid to the tune of a billion plus dollars. You say those facts are BS and irrelevant. I think that's all that needs to be said.
I said NATO is allowing Ukraine to dictate its own future. None of that other BS matters. Shows where your head is at. I don’t like Biden either but none of that shite is relevant to this situation. You just try to deflect and spout a bunch of BS. Just shows your opinion on this conflict is being influenced by US political BS.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:13 am to sta4ever
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I don’t like Biden either
You don’t have to type this out unless it’s in a contract for you or something. No one takes it seriously and it doesn’t make anyone take your posts more seriously.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:07 am to LuckyTiger
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Exactly. Thats why we staged a coup there. And why Biden demanded they get rid of their Attorney General who was investigating his son or we were cutting off their gravy train.
Bingo.
NATO keeps creeping closer and closer to Russia, and has been warned over and over. Remember the Cuban "missile crisis". It was only a crisis to the US because they kept doing the same shite in Europe and the soviets said...whats good for the goose. Frankly Im surprised they havent already set up missiles in Nicaragua, you know peacekeeping and such, like nato, dont cha know.
Or maybe we can discuss Pearl Harbor, where the US choked the life economically out of Japan and they either had to fight or starve. So we had full monitoring of their communications, but somehow, someway we did not read the alerts coming from the Pacific and whoops, now congress has no choice but to vote for war.
Is any of this sinking in, its deja vu all over again (10 cents to Yogi Berra) and the only people gettin rich aint you or I.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:13 am to sta4ever
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US political BS, that has no relevance to the situation.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:20 am to sta4ever
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I said NATO is allowing Ukraine to dictate its own future. None of that other BS matters. Shows where your head is at. I don’t like Biden either but none of that shite is relevant to this situation. You just try to deflect and spout a bunch of BS. Just shows your opinion on this conflict is being influenced by US political BS.
First, there is no NATO, its spelled US, for reference we left far more equipment in Afghanistan than Germany SPENDS on an annual basis for their military, Europe is a paper tiger. As such, NATO ie the US dictates the policy.
Now as to Lucky's comments, ask yourself, what is the difference between now and when Russia took Crimea, what is the one difference? Now the gravy train is at risk, the US didnt care about Crimea any more than they cared about Ukraine killing 1000s of russian sympathizers in Donbas for years, but the gravy train being at risk, thats a different story all together.
Democracy my arse, and voter IDs are racist, bless your heart.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:24 am to TigerAttorney
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Bottom line: NATO is a threat to Russia
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:40 am to TigerAttorney
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He’s not going past Ukraine.
But that's what was said about Georgia.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 6:56 am to sta4ever
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There’s only one side who’s invading other countries militarily and it’s not NATO.
The United States is a NATO member. We've invaded several over the last several decades.
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Only one side was willing to let Ukraine dictate their future.
Too bad it's not the Ukranians.
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NATO still needs to exist.
No it doesn't.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 6:56 am to TigerAttorney
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NATO is a threat to Russia, Russia is not a threat to NATO.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 6:59 am to trinidadtiger
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NATO keeps creeping closer and closer to Russia
Unless you are talking about Sweden and Finland, NATO hasn’t “crept” closer to Russia since 2004. The adds since then have been in the Balkans.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:10 am to jonnyanony
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But that's what was said about Georgia.
Georgia talked about joining NATO. Russia invaded. Ukraine talked about joining NATO. Russia invaded. A non-biased observer might think there is a clear doctrine being followed by Russia.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:12 am to Indefatigable
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Unless you are talking about Sweden and Finland, NATO hasn’t “crept” closer to Russia since 2004. The adds since then have been in the Balkans.
So, Russia hasn't opposed NATO expansion as long as it wasn't directly on their border. I wonder if we could have used that information to prevent a war.
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