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re: Rich black parents ask an academic to tell them why their kids are underperforming`
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:59 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:59 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Of course. Sowell has written about this phenomenon at length, and my experience supports it.
Oh, FFS.
Affirmative action normally takes a 3.2 kid and treats him like a 3.8 kid. That 3.2 kid is still reasonably bright.quote:
Yet there is still a widely acknowledged problem with AA minorities being granted entrance to Ivy League schools and then being ill prepared for the academics.
I'm sure you've seen some of the same articles on that phenomenon as the rest of us.
I attended a top-10 law school. More than half the Black kids from my 1-L section performed so poorly that they did not return for second year. Yes, that was a distinctly-disproportionate number.
But it has nothing to do with the implication to which I replied ... basically that these kids' parents became professionals only because they were beneficiaries of AA (too stupid to do so otherwise) and that they naturally produced kids too stupid to succeed in HIGH SCHOOL.
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:06 pm to anc
Bell Curve of intelligence levels begins the conversation.
Culture and "Affirm Action/DEI expectations" adds to it.
[speaking as someone who genius workmate/supervisor was one of the smartest men I ever worked with - and I worked in the NASA Physics Lab around a bevy of geniuses. and oh yeah, he agrees with the two statements above]
Culture and "Affirm Action/DEI expectations" adds to it.
[speaking as someone who genius workmate/supervisor was one of the smartest men I ever worked with - and I worked in the NASA Physics Lab around a bevy of geniuses. and oh yeah, he agrees with the two statements above]
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:07 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Rich, Black, Flunking
Cal Professor John Ogbu thinks he knows why rich black kids are failing in school. Nobody wants to hear it.
By
Susan Goldsmith
May 21, 2003
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John Uzo Ogbu (May 9, 1939 – August 20, 2003) was a Nigerian-American anthropologist and professor known for his theories on observed phenomena involving race and intelligence, especially how race and ethnic differences played out in educational and economic achievement.
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He died in 2003 after suffering from a post-surgery heart attack at the Kaiser Permanente Oakland Medical Center. He is survived by his wife, Marcellina Ada Ogbu, and his children Elizabeth, Nnanna, Grace, Cecilia, and Christina. He was buried in Nigeria.[13][2]
I am guessing the controversy died with him and went away
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:16 pm to TheHarahanian
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Whoever invented and popularized the slur “Uncle Tom”, set a large percentage of their race back about 100 years in the United States.
You're correct, she set white women 100 years behind. We know them today as Karens
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:17 pm to anc
Easy answer.
Success is Racist
Success is Racist
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:47 pm to anc
f'ing snow flakes
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:49 pm to AggieHank86
What did you do with your law degree?
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:55 pm to deltaland
quote:Like I said.
This is 100% a problem among blacks not only in school but the workplace. I see it all the time, you can take 3 black employees and one will excel at his job and the other 2 will deride him for it calling him an Uncle Tom, white arse kisser, etc until eventually all 3 employees are worthless.
It’s detrimental and incredibly ironic because it’s like black culture is admitting that academic and economic success is a trait of white people so in order to be black they must be stupid, lazy and poor. But if a quote person points out that one of them is stupid lazy and poor that means we are racist
Posted on 8/7/23 at 5:09 pm to anc
I have seen the same thing in my classroom. Kids have told me privately that they don't put maximum effort into their studies for fear of being ridiculed by their peers.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 5:24 pm to anc
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Ogbu concluded that the average black student in Shaker Heights put little effort into schoolwork and was part of a peer culture that looked down on academic success as “acting white.”
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Education is a very high value in the African-American community and in the African community. The fundamental problem is Dr. Ogbu is unfamiliar with the fact that there are thousands of African-American students who succeed. It doesn’t matter whether the students are in Shaker Heights or an inner city. The achievement depends on what expectations the teacher has of the students.
The teachers very well may have low expectations of the black students. It reminds me of the quote from Fat Bastard, "I can't stop eating. I eat because I'm unhappy, and I'm unhappy because I eat. It's a vicious cycle."
One of the 2 has the break the cycle, but the strongest motivator will have to come from the African American community. A few teachers can't make a difference for an entire community. The culture has to change AND teachers have to have high expectations. It needs to be both.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 5:55 pm to AggieHank86
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Oh, FFS.
Affirmative action normally takes a 3.2 kid and treats him like a 3.8 kid. That 3.2 kid is still reasonably bright.
Trying reading for comprehension, just once
I never once questioned the IQ of the parents. Just because they became prominent thru AA, didnt mean they learned the necessary skills to promote learning, discovery, and inquiry in their own children. Because they relied on the same crutch that promoted them, to expect their children to succeed
I followed that up by relating it to my white supervisors that were promoted in other ways not related to AA, and they didnt have the requisite background to produce critical thinking employees either
Posted on 8/7/23 at 6:10 pm to Trauma14
I agree. The African American that could have turned the situation around was Obama. He utterly failed, and in the process set the black community backwards by decades. Obama, race hustler in chief.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:14 pm to anc
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. School district officials, meanwhile, were concerned that it would look as if they were blaming black parents and students for their own academic failures.
Then you are failing them. The insanity.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:24 pm to Morgus
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It really is sad to see the extent to which the right has internalized the fundamental arguments of the left without even realizing it. "Culture" is the excuse the right gives in order to stay in line with the leftist notion that environment is the only cause for racial achievement gaps. Because otherwise they're afraid of being called "racist." If he right does not break through leftist, "anti-racist" conditioning it will never get anywhere.
No one is going to get the kids to do the homework. It has to be instilled by the parents.
The left or the rt isn’t fixing that.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:51 pm to dgnx6
You know if BLM intended to help the Black community maybe they could have used that estimated $500M donated by corporation to them during the Summer Of Love to fund a marketing campaign that emphasized the importance of education. They could have paid black celebrities to tell them being smart & succesful wasn’t bad. Maybe have some rap songs written about doing good in school and overcoming the streets instead of sell dope, slaying hoes and capping homies….wonder where all that money did go
Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:57 pm to anc
I hear Lebron’s school has openings…oh wait never mind!
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:08 pm to AggieHank86
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basically that these kids' parents became professionals only because they were beneficiaries of AA (too stupid to do so otherwise) and that they naturally produced kids too stupid to succeed in HIGH SCHOOL.
That wasn't the implication. Here's the quote:
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Perhaps being pushed into prominence by affirmative action, didn't prepare these parents to raise children who could earn it.
That poster said nothing about intelligence.
Like the professor in the article, his implication was about culture, not intelligence. If those parents got through HIGH SCHOOL by passing through without having to exert much effort, why is it unreasonable to postulate that they might be surprised and bewildered when their kids get bad grades as a result of not exerting effort at the same academic level?
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:20 pm to RCDfan1950
Very true! It’s quite simple actually. Do exactly the opposite of what approximately 98% of the others are doing and you will be just fine. Can’t get much easier than that. When you excel in life, most of your friends and acquaintances will not. Get used to being alone and become comfortable with it.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:24 pm to anc
I’ll take Broken Culture for 1000, Alex.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:43 pm to Aubie Spr96
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However, he took a ton of abuse from the other black kids at school for the very reason mentioned here. He had 'too many' white friends and his speech was 'too white'. Seriously. It was disheartening.
Crab mentality:A crab placed alone in a bucket will easily climb out and escape, but when you place it with a few of its mates, this interesting phenomenon occurs: One at a time, as the crabs try to escape, other crabs will pull them back down to their misery and the group's collective demise.
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