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re: Republicans were winning then shot themselves in the foot with all the abortion crap.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:55 am to Northwestern tiger
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:55 am to Northwestern tiger
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majority of this country do not want Roe versus Wade overturned.
the majority of this country also doesn't understand how horrible that case is when it comes to application of the constitution. Regardless of anyone's feelings on abortion, it's just bad case law period and should be overturned on that reason alone.
I also think far too many people in this country have a problem with personal responsiblity. Birth control is free and condoms are cheap, yet abortions are used, way more times than not, as a form of contraception and it shouldn't be that way.
I'm not a woman, but I do have a child. I also used to feel differently about abortion, but once you hear the heartbeat of your 7-8 week old baby in the womb, I just don't see how anyone with a heart or conscience could support abortion.
This post was edited on 9/3/21 at 9:59 am
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Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:56 am to Northwestern tiger
im not religious at all, but i don't believe in abortion outside of necessary ones
essentially i don't believe in selfish abortions, like "i don't feel like having a baby"
well you shouldnt have felt like fricking without protection and having someone nut in you either.
its a loss of accountability. thats the problem.
essentially i don't believe in selfish abortions, like "i don't feel like having a baby"
well you shouldnt have felt like fricking without protection and having someone nut in you either.
its a loss of accountability. thats the problem.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:06 am to AUCom96
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The republicans have lost elections being perceived as pure DC leeches who believe in nothing but crony capitalism and pork. They could stand to believe in something righteous for a change.
Mitt Romney had to move WAY to the right on abortion to win the nomination
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After debate moderator Anderson Cooper showed the clip of Romney saying in 1994 that "we should sustain and support" Roe v. Wade, the Republican presidential candidate said that "on abortion, I was wrong."
"I'm proud to be pro-life, and I'm not going to be apologizing to people for becoming pro-life," Romney said during a GOP primary debate in November 2007.
Romney went on to say "we should overturn Roe v. Wade and return these issues to the states." He also said he would be "delighted" to sign a bill as president that would outlaw abortion, if there "was such a consensus in this country that we said we don't want to have abortion in this country at all, period."
Obama attacks John McCain
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Democrats had, until now, sought to appeal to women primarily on economic issues such as health care and workplace discrimination; abortion rights were hardly mentioned at the Democratic National Convention in Denver last week. But women’s rights groups have been urging Obama to attack McCain on the issue, pointing to polling showing that some women who support McCain think he supports abortion rights. In fact, the Arizona senator has long supported a ban on abortions, with exceptions for victims of rape and incest, and for pregnancies that threaten the life of the mother. Palin has an even firmer anti-abortion stance: She would require rape and incest victims to carry their pregnancies to term.
“Let me tell you: If Roe vs. Wade is overturned, the lives and health of women will be put at risk. That's why this election is so important,” says the nurse-practitioner who narrates Obama’s ad. “John McCain's out of touch with women today. McCain wants to take away our right to choose. That's what women need to understand. That's how high the stakes are.”
He had to keep clarifying he was pro-Life even though many of his supporters thought he was pro-Choice.
So where are all these GOP candidates who were feckless, unethical, and lost elections for being pro-Choice?
Trump was the most pro-Choice GOP candidate since maybe the 70s. He never took a very hard line stance other than generalities.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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Moderates who may vote GOP have no interest in supporting abortion restrictions
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:19 am to Bass Tiger
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Not sure if your mother is living or whether you have a sister or daughter….maybe you’re married? How would you feel about any of those women in your life being a prostitute? Maybe they perform sexual acts on video. Honest question. Are you ok with any of those women in your life doing such things?
Not to resurrect conservative vs porn argument, But, Yes, I don't care at all. My wife, mom, & sisters can do whatever the frick they want...I dont need the force of laws backed by men with guns to convince them what to do, I convince them by being a respectable man with convincing arguments. I'm not "ok" with it, nor would I tolerate it, but I wouldn't pass laws to try to stop it. Are you ok with your wife secretly wanting to be a hoe, but not doing it because shes afraid of legal consequences? Just like I think anybody who wants to smoke crack should be able to. Anybody who wants to buy guns should be able to. Anybody who wants to say disgareeable shameful things should be able to. It's called "freedom"; its the most powerful and virtuous value on earth; you either believe in it or you don't, and obviously you dont. What makes one person happiest may not make another happiest. If someone values money over their pride, they should be able to make that exchange, and we should all be able to pursue our own happiness. Obviously. this is one of my less popular opinions on this board, but I believe in freedom. They say under freedom that disagreeable opinions / speech is the ONLY speech that needs protection. Likewise, disagreeable actions are the ONLY actions that need protection for freedom to exist, and that includes drug use, prostitution, ect. Let people do what makes them happy, they'll do it anyways. I dont see how your arguments about "protecting" your women from porn are any different than Fauci's arguments of "protecting" everyone with vaccines and masks. It is controlling behavior based in fear.
I don't care that much about abortion though, I don't like it and I wish it didn't happen, and I think babies are people, but I just really dont care either way
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:20 am to FlexDawg
This is a democracy. You need more people on your side to win elections. You need to give a shite, especially if you care about the policy.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:23 am to kisatchie53
It’s not murder lol. It’s not even a human yet. I love how Republicans are for the death penalty, they are for war, they force people to have birth but then also refused to help poor people who should’ve just had an abortion. And then as those kids grow up and become Democrats somehow they don’t connect the dots.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:24 am to VerlanderBEAST
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It's amazing how much Republicans care about babies ...... until they're actually born and then its let them die in a ditch muh taxes too high
Why are you expecting someone else to pay for a child you are responsible for? And is it really that hard to comprehend that another human being might take issue with you handling your responsibility by killing another human being? You’re seriously perplexed by that notion?
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:27 am to Craig86
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It’s not murder lol. It’s not even a human yet
At what time does it become a human?
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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He had to keep clarifying he was pro-Life even though many of his supporters thought he was pro-Choice.
So where are all these GOP candidates who were feckless, unethical, and lost elections for being pro-Choice?
Trump was the most pro-Choice GOP candidate since maybe the 70s. He never took a very hard line stance other than generalities.
Romney was a left-leaning moderate whose only connection to anything remotely republican was being a corporate pirate. He lost that election for two primary reasons: first, he was known as the guy who signed Obamacare's predecessor into law in Massachusetts. Second, he ran an extremely weak campaign and vanished in his last two debates. He also was successfully painted as a money-grubbing suit. His stance on abortion has nothing to do with it.
McCain spent as much time attacking his base in the media as he did his opponent. Probably more. He was another middle of the road republican who was disliked by republican voters. Abortion, once again, didn't enter the equation. He didn't run on it, he didn't attack Obama on it and he certainly didn't lose on that issue.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:29 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Meh. That's a distinction without a difference.
Trump wasn't asked to have that sort of purity by the religious right, so he was never put in that sort of ideological grinder. He could just say generalities like that he was "pro life" and never had to explain to the press the limits of just how "pro life" he was, because he never had to originally define it for the religious right.
The press ALLOWED him to stay vague which the press NEVER does on that issue. The press had no interest in talking about it which was a first ever in terms of Presidential politics. And, I don't think that's some grand accident.
Because the reality is, ANY Republican called on it who is half decent at response would end up forcing the Democrat candidate to defend or disavow that ludicrous current Democratic position. Which, is frankly a very poisonous position.
Hell. If they come after Repubs in 2022 on that issue, the fact a LOT of Democrats support abortion on demand right up till birth is gonna move front and center too!
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trump was the most pro-Choice GOP candidate since maybe the 70s. He never took a very hard line stance other than generalities.
Trump was a huge advocate for protecting the unborn while he was president. I heard him say it more than once. Your statement is inaccurate.
This post was edited on 9/3/21 at 10:33 am
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:32 am to ShortyRob
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The press ALLOWED him to stay vague which the press NEVER does on that issue. The press had no interest in talking about it which was a first ever in terms of Presidential politics. And, I don't think that's some grand accident.
The thing is, they did in 2020, after he came out a LOT more pro-life (even went to a rally, which is something no other GOP person had done), and it worked somewhat. Trump lost even more female voters (and the election).
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:32 am to Dawgirl
So is supporting the death penalty. So is supporting people that go to war to murder the enemy.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I'm sorry. I'm just not buying it.
The thing is, they did in 2020, after he came out a LOT more pro-life (even went to a rally, which is something no other GOP person had done), and it worked somewhat. Trump lost even more female voters (and the election).
I saw virtually nothing in 2020 that focused on the abortion issue.
Women, especially white suburban women, were just VERY easily swayed by the emotional "Trump is a meanie head" shite. Hell, I heard it in my own circle. Dumb bitches sincerely thought that if only someone else won, then everyone would be nice to each other again. Just completely oblivious emotional wrecks.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:39 am to Craig86
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It’s not murder lol.
Ok, it's a brutal practice that isn't murder. Much better.
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they force people to have birth but then also refused to help poor people
Oh yeah, there's no social safety net in America, at all.
(Hint: It's probably how you get by).
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:42 am to ShortyRob
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Trump lost even more female voters (and the election).
Hmmm. I don't think this statement is accurate.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:48 am to BuckyCheese
You can still get an abortion, just not after 6 weeks.
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:51 am to Craig86
quote:You're human now
It’s not murder lol. It’s not even a human yet.
Working backwards from now until the 6 week mark in your mother's pregnancy, what was the magic moment? The magic changeover?
Be specific
Posted on 9/3/21 at 10:52 am to Pettifogger
quote:Yeah. The whole left meme that somehow, pro-life people don't care about the babies once they're born is so fricking dumb
they force people to have birth but then also refused to help poor people
Oh yeah, there's no social safety net in America, at all.
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