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re: Republicans were winning then shot themselves in the foot with all the abortion crap.

Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:23 am to
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:23 am to
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It is unreasonable to kill your unborn child because it would be an inconvenience to your lifestyle


This is why 99.9999999% of abortions are conducted, and it is sickening. Abortion is an easy way for adults to dodge responsibility.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:30 am to
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It is unreasonable to kill your unborn child because it would be an inconvenience to your lifestyle


This is why 99.9999999% of abortions are conducted, and it is sickening. Abortion is an easy way for adults to dodge responsibility.

AND, it's why the whole argument is so damned annoying to me.

It's another discussion where liberals simply REFUSE to at least be honest about what's happening.

Every time they talk about the subject, they simply refuse to acknowledge the reality of why 90% of why almost all women get abortions. They also try to act as if there's no such thing as a good parent with low income. Which probably SHOULD offend a bunch of lefty voters, but somehow doesn't.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:34 am to
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Do you know why the left has dominated politics in recent years? To put it simply, you know where they stand.

The entire definition of "conservative" changed with Trump. He won in 2016 because of that.

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Where the right has lost is doing what you appear to be encouraging more of... trying to find a nuanced way to actively believe in nothing at all.

I'm doing what Trump did in 2016 with abortion. He tiptoed around it and it was nowhere near a major issue.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:35 am to
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I will say this. I don't really think there's a lot of people who consider abortion to be a key voting issue running around contemplating voting Republican. It's not like the Texas law made a bunch of them go, "shite. That's right. Republicans don't like abortion!!!"

These days it's more than just a political identification. In many areas any hint that you're not fully on board with abortion will eliminate you from the dating pool, for instance. The problem is the vast majority of these areas are where the good jobs are. Why Trumpism became a beacon for the lower-middle class and the educated class moved in large numbers to the DEMs from 2016-2020.
This post was edited on 9/3/21 at 8:36 am
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
7031 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:50 am to
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The entire definition of "conservative" changed with Trump. He won in 2016 because of that.


He also won on issues that republicans swore moderates didn't care about like immigration, the death of American industry, global trade and removing ourselves from foreign conflict.

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I'm doing what Trump did in 2016 with abortion. He tiptoed around it and it was nowhere near a major issue.


There's not much he could do, really. It's an issue that has to be fought in the courts, ultimately and if it is to be won it has to start with the states, not the fed. He was more vocal on the issue, however, than the last two GOP elected Presidents.
Posted by Themole
Palatka Florida
Member since Feb 2013
5557 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:50 am to
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Only religious people think killing babies is wrong?


Babies, are innocent. Those who are willing to kill their own, not so much.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:59 am to
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I'm doing what Trump did in 2016 with abortion. He tiptoed around it and it was nowhere near a major issue.

Did he really tiptoe around it though? Let's be honest. He did say he was pro-life which some people felt was just lip service. But normally the media hounds Republican candidates at every turn on the subject. But they never really pressed Donald Trump on it at all. I submit that it's possible that the Press recognized that it was somewhat unhelpful for Democrats also if discussion of the current Democrat position on abortion became mainstream
Posted by Priapus
Member since Oct 2012
1950 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:07 am to
The DC swamp has pulled off another coup. American women were finally starting to distance themselves from this nightmare administration and what happens?

Hmmm, lets abandon those gains and piss those women off because NOW is obviously the time to go after abortion. Dem Prez, Dem Senate, Dem house. John Roberts Court. Dem controlled media.

Great plan guys. Really. Just absolutely stellar work.

The Swamp continues to play the right like a fiddle.

Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
7031 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:12 am to
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The DC swamp has pulled off another coup. American women were finally starting to distance themselves from this nightmare administration and what happens?

Hmmm, lets abandon those gains and piss those women off because NOW is obviously the time to go after abortion. Dem Prez, Dem Senate, Dem house. John Roberts Court. Dem controlled media.


Glad to see your ethics come so cheap.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:12 am to
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Did he really tiptoe around it though? Let's be honest. He did say he was pro-life which some people felt was just lip service. But normally the media hounds Republican candidates at every turn on the subject. But they never really pressed Donald Trump on it at all.

That's b/c the crazy religious right gave Trump a pass for some reason. It's the religious right who gets emboldened and then makes it an issue (kind of like what TX is doing now, but during a Presidential election).

The press was focused on calling Trump a fake Christian (which he clearly was) and feeling superior to the people they perceived as idiots on the religious right for falling for it. They assumed Trump was a joke but clearly won't anymore.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:13 am to
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Glad to see your ethics come so cheap.

What happens to this argument if this emboldens the left to gain more power and they make the situation worse than it was in July 2021?

Do you consider that "ethical" to create a path for more abortions?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28185 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:17 am to
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What happens to this argument if this emboldens the left to gain more power and they make the situation worse than it was in July 2021?


What happens if we ignore issues for perceived political gain and win the presidency and both houses?

Oh yeah, we did that. Most of Trump's accomplishments were done by himself, and the feckless turds in congress couldn't even overturn obamacare. With a typical politician as president it'll be even less than what we saw from 2016-2018.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
7031 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:21 am to
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What happens to this argument if this emboldens the left to gain more power and they make the situation worse than it was in July 2021?

Do you consider that "ethical" to create a path for more abortions?


Do you abstain from driving because you might be part of a multi-car pile-up on the interstate?

If you support killing babies, that's on your heart. I've never suggested it should be the banner a Presidential campaign falls behind, but I have ZERO problem with what Texas did. Abortion is wrong. It's no better than segregation and racism. (which the left is having political fun with also)

The republicans have lost elections being perceived as pure DC leeches who believe in nothing but crony capitalism and pork. They could stand to believe in something righteous for a change.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87384 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:22 am to
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Great plan guys. Really. Just absolutely stellar work.



These are the best days for the unborn in terms of protections in this country in nearly 50 years

so yeah
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:34 am to
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That's b/c the crazy religious right gave Trump a pass for some reason.
that doesn't make sense. When the Press hounds a republican candidate on the subject of abortion it isn't because they are trying to speak to the crazy religious right it's because they're trying to scare the middle. Yet they never tried to scare the middle during that campaign. I submit that's because they understood that the Democrat position also scared the middle
Posted by HC87
Coastal NC
Member since Dec 2014
5640 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:43 am to
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Especially banning it in cases of rape and incest.


THIS. Can't believe this was included. WTH?
Posted by Dawgirl
Member since Oct 2015
6400 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:43 am to
We dont care if its a losing battle. Its murder any way you look at it. And its not just us religious folks that are against it. Go do some damn research before you spew your garbage to everyone.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
6297 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:52 am to
so as libertarian your ok with the big brother parts of this law? a hotline where you can get 10k for turning in a dr or person who as an abortion? They designed a law that wouldnt get turned down by SCOTUS so its a weak law without criminal charges but civil charges. just drop the libertarian from your name and call yourself the republican that you are. You cant be both because neither of these parties know a damn thing about liberty.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:52 am to
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that doesn't make sense. When the Press hounds a republican candidate on the subject of abortion it isn't because they are trying to speak to the crazy religious right it's because they're trying to scare the middle.

The crazy religious right puts the issue in front of the nation for the press to tee off. Pre-Trump, they demanded complete and utter perfection in pro-life stances or they would sit out of elections. They'd box in candidates into terrible positions (especially with the rape/incest examples). Remember all the dolt GOP candidates who were crushed because of the crazy arguments they had to come up with to be perfectly pro-life and try to sound reasonable?

Trump wasn't asked to have that sort of purity by the religious right, so he was never put in that sort of ideological grinder. He could just say generalities like that he was "pro life" and never had to explain to the press the limits of just how "pro life" he was, because he never had to originally define it for the religious right.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 9:54 am to
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What happens if we ignore issues for perceived political gain and win the presidency and both houses?

This is a political issue. You need "political gain" to enact your preferred policy. If you lose political power, you'll lose any control on this issue/policy.

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Oh yeah, we did that.

Bush, McCain, and Romney were all bound to a very pro-life position.

Trump was not. Trump won.

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