re: Republicans were winning then shot themselves in the foot with all the abortion crap.

This will be forgotten come election time. One issue isn't going to motivate a huge switch.

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Meh.

I think this is overblown.

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I was more describing the discussion more than the impact.

While there is a legit worry about enraging the liberals/leftists (court packing), this discussion is about turning away likely supporters.

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THAT shite is NOT massively popular either.

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Democrats are allowed to also shoot themselves in the foot. While the GOP does it more often, they down own the patent.

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If the decision to push abortion bans leads to a loss in political power, then it kind of is.

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Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?

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Democrats are allowed to also shoot themselves in the foot. While the GOP does it more often, they down own the patent.

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Honestly, I think that time is starting to tilt this argument.

10 years ago, the Texas law would have been in contrast to most pro-choicers who were STILL for at least some level of sane restriction. NOW, it stands in contrast to the fact the entire Democratic party openly defended elective abortions under ANY circumstances at ANY time before actual birth.

Moreover, technology is going to continue to frick up the Democrat argument. Sure. It may not be common for a baby to survive being born at 26 weeks for example. But, it happens. And every time it does, it opens the obvious truth that a 27 week abortion is ABSOLUTELY murder. I mean hey. Try going into an ICU and killing that 26 week old baby and see how it works out for ya!

And tech is gonna keep moving that date back. Meanwhile, it's going to continue to improve our ability to detect pregnancy also. The pro-abortion people are being squeezed at both ends

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That's somewhat irrelevant unless you want to eliminate the democratic process in determining political power.

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This democratic process seems to be ignoring the concerns of the unborn child.

Obviously, you think that unborn babies do not possess the natural rights that all human beings are endowed.

Yet people of good conscience can have differing opinions about exactly when an unborn child possesses human rights.

And it appears the citizens of Texas have a different opinion on that matter than you.

Why do you seek to abrogate their rights?

I don't disagree about the tech, but 26 weeks is a lot different than 6, both conceptually and politically.

A lot of the fence sitters who the GOP may be able to recruit would likely agree 26 is a fine line, but 6 is just way too small. The GOP is just never going to get those voters as long as the partisan-left media can keep these stories circulating.

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I don't disagree about the tech, but 26 weeks is a lot different than 6, both conceptually and politically.

A lot of the fence sitters who the GOP may be able to recruit would likely agree 26 is a fine line, but 6 is just way too small. The GOP is just never going to get those voters as long as the partisan-left media can keep these stories circulating.

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The 26 week thing was merely to illustrate that the entire Democrat party is already VERY afoul of what any fence sitters might think. Sure, they may 6 weeks is too short, but they're also pretty damned appalled at 32 week abortions too. Hence, it's frying pan/fire kinda scenario. IF the Democrats were still where they were on aboriton 15 years ago, this would be less pronounced.

But today? Meh. I say this as someone who used to be pro-choice but was always in the "willing to make a deal" category. Back then, the whole "elective until birth" thing would have made me absolutely nuts.

A LOT of people in the "pro-choice" side are people who don't really like abortion, they just have been sort of taught that it's a "right". I think your perception of the breakout of this group into sides may be overly pessimistic.

That said, I also don't really care. Some things are just correct, so you do them.

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Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?

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SFP tends to be a pretty thoughtful poster on here. I would say he and I agree a solid 85% of the time.

He's not being cavalier here and, there was a time when I would have made the same arguments he's making in this thread.

But, I do think the landscape has changed because the Democrats have moved AS A PARTY into complete abortion nutjob territory.

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The problem is, this is the one issue that creates such a rage in the Left that you legitimately risk losing any political power in supporting. They are going to go nuclear on the back of this stuff, and use this as a justification for things like court packing. Also if you lose moderates, then you can't win elections. Trump only won by avoiding this issue in 2016. By 2020 he lost even more GOP-female voting and lost the election. You lose that war and you do nothing but create the path for that "right" becoming even more above state regulation.

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Look. I love me some Trump. But let's be honest here. If Trump held ALL of the same positions, but had the personality and demeanor of GWB, he'd have won GOP females in an epic history making landslide.

I just don't think abortion is the animating issue it once was. Sure. The rabid pro-choicers are just as rabid. For everyone else? It's like issue 12 on their top 10 list.

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Do you know why the left has dominated politics in recent years? To put it simply, you know where they stand

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I will say this. I don't really think there's a lot of people who consider abortion to be a key voting issue running around contemplating voting Republican. It's not like the Texas law made a bunch of them go, "shite. That's right. Republicans don't like abortion!!!"