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re: Republicans Fail to See the Biggest Issue Costing them Undecided Voters
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:35 am to weptiger
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:35 am to weptiger
I look at comments on news stories a lot and what I see the most is that "Texas is making women go through with life-threatening pregnancies -- Texas is literally letting women die!" Second is that doctors (especially in Texas) are afraid to perform abortions even to save a woman's life for fear of losing their license to practice. And third is that poor women can't afford to travel to another state for an abortion.
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:38 am to RFK
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my wife and 2 sister-in-laws.
It’s not like they support of killing babies. Well, it’s a little bit like being in support of killing babies. …OK! OK, your wife and SILs are totally support killing babies.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:41 am to TDsngumbo
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Never, ever get between a woman and her unyielding natural biological desire to be a mother. She will side against you every single time. My sister is one of these women and is almost as conservative as most of this board but she has a hard time voting for republicans for this reason alone. I think it’s dumb that she lets one issue sway her but it is what it is.
I believe Trump came out with a proposal for federal funding for IVF yesterday.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:41 am to RFK
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I personally fail to see how involving the government in a healthcare decision like abortion is any different from forcing vaccines on people (which these women, especially the ER physician, did not support). Regardless, the GOP should stop dragging themselves down with this issue for political reasons.
It's about personal responsibility. "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time." Or maybe, "Don't do the deed if you can't grow the seed." That responsibility should not fall solely on the ladies, but I'm sorry, that's where the Creator/biology/evolution has left a large chunk of the responsibility, or at least the consequences.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:43 am to RFK
All laws are about forcing people to do something / not do something with their bodies. It’s a ridiculous double standard that is not logically sound.
And these women in your life sound well educated but not intelligent.
And these women in your life sound well educated but not intelligent.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:43 am to MrLSU
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And this is the reason that Trump is moderating more and more on the Abortion topic.
Which doesn’t matter for shite if they play up what a Jeff Landry does
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There is no value in someone from Georgia telling people in California how they should run their state.
Whether they do or not those people can still get an “ick” from it
This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 6:47 am
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:44 am to Cosmo
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So they are gonna vote for the party that forced vaccines?
First post destroys the OPs troll
But correct on the abortion crap. Rs need to drop it fast
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:46 am to RFK
Maybe because one is literally killing a child no matter how you like to frame it.
What you don’t understand is the right to life matters. As soon as you start desensitizing people to the right for life, you create a dangerous way of thinking.
Where do we draw the line for abortion? 3rd trimester? Birth? After birth (infanticide)?
If we draw the line somewhere today, will it be moved later?
“My 5 year old has learning disabilities and many conditions that are affecting his quality of life. I’d like to abort him…”
It sounds crazy to say something like that, but gay marriage also sounded like an impossible and crazy concept in the recent past. Now it’s legal everywhere.
What you don’t understand is the right to life matters. As soon as you start desensitizing people to the right for life, you create a dangerous way of thinking.
Where do we draw the line for abortion? 3rd trimester? Birth? After birth (infanticide)?
If we draw the line somewhere today, will it be moved later?
“My 5 year old has learning disabilities and many conditions that are affecting his quality of life. I’d like to abort him…”
It sounds crazy to say something like that, but gay marriage also sounded like an impossible and crazy concept in the recent past. Now it’s legal everywhere.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:47 am to TDsngumbo
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The GOP just can’t help but to step in its own shite every cycle with the abortion issue.
Yeah like that time ahead of the 2022 midterms that Lindsey Graham went on national television and called for a nationwide abortion ban. I am certain he was doing all he could to sabotage it for the GOP.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:52 am to RFK
Lawyers should know good and darned well that the “right to privacy” underpinning RvW is not in the constitution. The issue is back where it rightfully belongs at the state level.
A socially liberal doctor? So she’s ok with giving children irreversible puberty blockers and chopping off their healthy body parts? Is she in favor of males hurting women and stealing women’s awards in women’s sports? Males in places where women take their clothes off or escape from males because of domestic violence situations? Is she for completely unchecked immigration and all of the health problems that brings (diseases, drunk drivers, murders, drug running, etc)? Because that’s what being socially liberal means these days. The right isn’t out there oppressing gay or non-white people and only incredibly stupid or willfully ignorant people still cling to that.
It’s good that these women are stepping close enough to the border of the plantation to realize they wouldn’t kill their own babies or support anyone that does. They need to take just a couple more steps towards freedom and realize women are more than sex objects for any and every male that comes along.
A socially liberal doctor? So she’s ok with giving children irreversible puberty blockers and chopping off their healthy body parts? Is she in favor of males hurting women and stealing women’s awards in women’s sports? Males in places where women take their clothes off or escape from males because of domestic violence situations? Is she for completely unchecked immigration and all of the health problems that brings (diseases, drunk drivers, murders, drug running, etc)? Because that’s what being socially liberal means these days. The right isn’t out there oppressing gay or non-white people and only incredibly stupid or willfully ignorant people still cling to that.
It’s good that these women are stepping close enough to the border of the plantation to realize they wouldn’t kill their own babies or support anyone that does. They need to take just a couple more steps towards freedom and realize women are more than sex objects for any and every male that comes along.
This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 8:43 am
Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:52 am to RFK
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The number one issue that keeps them from fully embracing the GOP is their immovable stance on abortion, but not for the reasons you might suspect. Neither of these women has ever had an abortion, and neither would personally have one themselves nor support a close family member having one.
So, they're brainwashed? Got it.
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I personally fail to see how involving the government in a healthcare decision like abortion is any different from forcing vaccines on people
Ah. Because you are brainwashed, too.
You would agree that you and I both originated following an act of sexual intercourse, wouldn't you? And at some point after that act you and I became the human beings we are today, with all the rights and responsibilities that go along with that?
Just exactly when was that in our development? 6 weeks gestation? 20? Birth? Graduation of high school?
When does it become a healthcare decision for the child, I guess is what I'm getting at? When is it being forced on the child to not be alive any longer?
Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:03 am to RFK
Sorry you married a murderer and into a family of murderers.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:10 am to RFK
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I personally fail to see how involving the government in a healthcare decision like abortion is any different from forcing vaccines on people (which these women, especially the ER physician, did not support).
So they want an unregulated abortion business?
You need to do better combating their idiocy.
How are we going to have abortions without the government?
Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:10 am to RFK
You sound weak AF. Look I get it but if my wife ( is pro choice) who is a Republican but knows the difference between the fear mongering the left uses they are going to take your rights BS and choosing the best candidate for this country. My wife is educated and has her own business but knows ABORTION rights is like 5th on the list of things to worry about on what’s wrong with this country the last four years. You need to enlighten your family members about illegal immigration, Economy, and remind them Trump didn’t take their rights away but gave the choice to the states. I am not changing my wife’s stance on abortion but she is smart enough to know she is not voting for the shitshow Harris/Walz ticket because of what Harris has not done as Vice president and their policies that are wrecking the working middle class. They are coming for our hard earned money and 401 k’s BOOK IT.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:29 am to RFK
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I personally fail to see how involving the government in a healthcare decision like abortion
Well, maybe you don’t understand the issue because in 99% of abortions it’s not a health care issue it’s an inconceivably barbaric form of birth control.
The vast majority of abortions are for the woman’s convenience nothing more. So why does a human being have to die for someone’s convenience?
Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:57 am to Cosmo
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So they are gonna vote for the party that forced vaccines?
The same could be said for evangelicals.
Stop playing to them and expand the party to scoop up moderates.
Who else are evangelicals going to vote for?
There are more ways to decrease the number of abortions performed in this country than banning the procedure.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:02 am to RFK
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The number one issue that keeps them from fully embracing the GOP is their immovable stance on abortion, but not for the reasons you might suspect. Neither of these women has ever had an abortion, and neither would personally have one themselves nor support a close family member having one.
Then I don't care about them. If abortion is your number 1 issue then you are a vile and sick person. End of story. Good luck to America and being led by abortion worshipping paganists. Truly a sick disgusting mind.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:08 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Well, maybe you don’t understand the issue because in 99% of abortions it’s not a health care issue it’s an inconceivably barbaric form of birth control.
Let’s just go with abortion is healthcare.
How is that not going to be government regulated?
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:08 am to tiggerthetooth
The GOP can nip this in the bud if they adopt a universal stance for a 12-20 week window with the 3 main exceptions.
That's what the vast majority of Americans will support. Only the polar extremists on both sides will be upset with it, but marginalizing them is a secondary benefit of bringing everyone else together.
It will take some time to gain trust, but if/when the GOP shows it's sincere with those policy goals, they'll own the issue and it won't be an issue they can be flanked on. The DEMs will have to get in line with the moderation or be expelled to the fringes (Which is most likely to happen outside of the super liberal areas on the coasts)
That's what the vast majority of Americans will support. Only the polar extremists on both sides will be upset with it, but marginalizing them is a secondary benefit of bringing everyone else together.
It will take some time to gain trust, but if/when the GOP shows it's sincere with those policy goals, they'll own the issue and it won't be an issue they can be flanked on. The DEMs will have to get in line with the moderation or be expelled to the fringes (Which is most likely to happen outside of the super liberal areas on the coasts)
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:11 am to RFK
How any remotely civilized society could support the atrocity of abortion will always baffle my mind. My wife had two horrible miscarriages. I would give almost anything to meet those children that never made to our lives.
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