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re: Republicans Fail to See the Biggest Issue Costing them Undecided Voters

Posted on 8/30/24 at 1:56 pm to
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
9132 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 1:56 pm to
I like the Ron Paul approach to this issue, which is pretty much where the Republican Party is now under Trump - leave it to the states. The federal government does not need to put its thumb on the scale one way or another. We don’t need the feds dictating to the people that abortion will be allowed, nor do we need a federal abortion police. If you want abortion legalized in your state, work to get a referendum passed. It’ll be a whole lot easier than wishing the federal government would do something about it.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
89305 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 1:57 pm to
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so muh drumpf banned all abortions? really? link?


educate the dumbass women in your life.

you are a LOSER AND FAILURE




crickets.

OP is a cuck



i see you are online. come on out and stop hiding like a coward after spewing such worthless verbal diarrhea. come on. man up. can't do it can ya?



Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10679 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 1:58 pm to
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Here are some suggestions:

1) Court Appointed probono attys for adoption provided to both the adoptive parents and the birth parents;

2) Waiver of court costs for adoption related proceedings;

3) Consent of father of child to abortion, and court ordered child support obligation entered upon withholding of consent, including responsibilities for medical expenses for prenatal care.


Thanks for answering, and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with any of those proposals, but do you honestly think any of them would move the needle on Harris winning this election due to abortion?

I don't.

The argument I referenced above is not a real reason why women demand abortion. It's just an excuse.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9060 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 2:15 pm to
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I will agree that thought has to be put into it, but all the thought is for the tiny minority of exceptional situations.


We talking about this in the context of voters concerns particularly women and that 2-3 percent out of 1,026,690 (abortion in 2023) is still tens of thousand of cases per year that are exceptional situations. The fear of pregnancy going sideways is of course very real for a lot women. Democrats are stoking that fear and loud voiced dumb arse conservatives that want bare min exceptions where a women has to be near death for doctors to be allowed to do anything arent helping the matter.

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Until it's generally agreed that the other 98.5% of cases are clear-cut, the Republican dog hasn't caught anything yet IMO. Or nothing worth much, anyway.


Republicans and all voters have to reckon with this issue and its not as easy, even among Republicans, as many thought it would be, Thats the car imo.

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obbs/Row v Wade is nothing more than the rectification of bad activist SCOTUS law that never should have happened in the first place and should have been overturned a long time ago.


Im coming around to agree with this.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9060 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 2:27 pm to
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but do you honestly think any of them would move the needle on Harris winning this election due to abortion?


Like she said its a start and one that pro life republicans should've started a long time ago along with doing the hard work on the exceptions we discussed. A new approach on changing the culture when it comes to abortion should also be in play. And frankly women need to lead that effort. Preachers preaching they will burn in hell and calling women whores isnt going to work.
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
3365 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 2:45 pm to
There are no undecided voters in this election. These three women you know are educated morons.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9060 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 2:50 pm to
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There are no undecided voters in this election.


They may not be undecided but are there those that can have their minds changed?
Posted by YumYum Sauce
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
9391 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 3:15 pm to
You're trying to quantify a bunch of overly emotional stupid people. It will not work.

We are fricked becuase stupid people get to vote. That's the problem.
Posted by bamabonners
Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
4971 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 3:22 pm to
Simply put… they’re brainwashed idiots. Abortion is a state issue, not federal. Women that let themselves be led around by the abortion issue are no better than blacks that get led by so called systemic racism.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16993 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 3:45 pm to
If Harris wins based on abortion it will be because prolifers cannot or will not see that they should be participating in a state-based solution to the issue, rather than insisting on a national abortion ban.

The Pro-Lifer’s failure to take this approach and undermine Trump’s attempts to make this a state-by-state issue - will simultaneously sink the pro-life movement and hand an avowed baby killer the ability to stack the Supreme Court and execute babies in the birth canal.

It’s endlessly infuriating that they cannot find a political solution to this problem that respects BOTH federalism and their policy goals. The pro-lifers (and I’m talking about the professional ones - who blog and raise money, etc.) are no different that the professional LGBs that added the Ts and went batshit after they no longer had the gay marriage quest.

If they want to start testing shite in the courts, perhaps they could try finding a dad whose baby was aborted without his consent and suing the mother or the hospital for wrongful death. Or just suing the state for due process violations on behalf of his unborn child.

There is more than one way to do things. And there is more than one way to look at an issue.

When it comes right down to it- the question of abortion is a nuanced question that can only be resolved in our hearts and minds, and if you want to talk about regulations on the issue- they have to be clearly defined with exceptions.

There is not even an absolute ban against killing an out of the womb human. See: Kyle Rittenhouse and other self defense cases, the death penalty, diminished capacity / insanity defense.

There’s no reason there can’t be legalized exceptions to what is ordinarily considered an abhorrent practice - ex 1) duration of pregnancy; 2) rape/incest; 3) life of mother.
Posted by TheFranchise
The Stick
Member since Feb 2005
6305 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 3:53 pm to
It is not that any federal politician is saying any US citizen cannot have an abortion, it’s that the Constitution does not have anything to say about abortion so our limited federal government cannot make any law about it and the issue is reserved to the several states under the 10th Amendment.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8903 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 4:35 pm to
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GOP is their immovable stance on abortion


Seems to me the ones with the most immovable stance on abortion is the mainstream democrat position of abortion up until birth.

But it’s a moot point. Abortion is done and decided at the federal level. There’s no point in considering it in this or any future presidential election. If someone wants to affect abortion policy the only viable place now is state and local elections.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
11789 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:02 pm to
I'm late to the thread and maybe someone already pointed this out, but women are all about bodily autonomy right? This is their big issue. Not the complete destruction of the economy and paying crazy prices for everything, it's bodily autonomy. My question is where is this bodily autonomy with the dude's dick? They want to be able to dissect a baby in their stomach, but they can't say listen buddy don't let it rip all up in me? Is it that hard to say "pull out"? I think I know the answer but I probably shouldn't say it
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62837 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 10:16 pm to
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not a where the vast majority of the country is so taking that position is a losing position.


This is meaningless.
Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
2761 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 10:47 pm to
Many here fail to see my original point.

Why would these voters, educated Americans who contribute to our society in more ways than most, want an older white man to have the power to make a decision about their reproductive choices?

An abortion is a deeply moral, private, and difficult decision.

When it becomes a matter of public discussion, state coercion, and pompous philosophizing from those who will never have to make the choice, it diminishes the moral autonomy of these women.

That’s why they will turn the election over to Harris.
Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
1626 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 10:56 pm to
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But they see the issue not necessarily as one of a decision to have an abortion or not, but as a politician making a choice for them that they feel should be their’s to make, whatever that choice may be.



Then your baby murder condoning wife and sister-in-laws should be happy because the politicians who will make the decision are now closer to them and therefore more accountable.
Posted by PuertoRicanBlaze
Book Board Admin
Member since Apr 2024
7093 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:21 pm to
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The number one issue that keeps them from fully embracing the GOP is their immovable stance on abortion


Tell them to enjoy not being able to afford groceries and a rise in criminal activity around their suburbs. If Pedro has his way with one of them, they fricking voted for it.
Posted by HogBalls
Member since Nov 2014
8927 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:31 pm to
Worst mistake the GOP has made is being the face of abortion bans. I’m conservative as they come but am to the point I support abortions. We should be praising abortions, encouraging them actually. It’s mainly left wing nut jobs and dregs of society “give me free shite” Democrat voters having abortions.

Why would I want to protect their offspring?? So they can grow up and vote to push the country further over the edge??

It’s like protecting your enemies offspring so they can grow up and conquer you.

You people don’t hate these democrats enough. I hate that I feel this way but war is hell and we are in one against leftist scum.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86100 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:31 pm to
Only in modern America can we contort “hey let’s as a society decide not to allow the barbaric and regressive act of extinguishing human life for our own comfort” into the pompous and evil position
Posted by Flashback
reading the chicken bones
Member since Apr 2008
8479 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:36 pm to
Dropping his opposition to abortion would get the goofballs off him. Apparently there's a bunch of them. The plus side is all these people will reproduce less b/c they get to do their favorite thing.

Let God judge them for that.

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