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Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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can't reason why they'd make up the crime increase in the first place
A spike in crime post covid doesn't mean the crime stats are correct. It means that an obvious spike in crime that everyone could see on tv/internet every day couldn't be hidden. That doesn't necessarily mean the stats are correct, they can still be underreported even with a spike.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:48 am to Ingeniero
Republicans should be blasting this everywhere this week
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:49 am to jchamil
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A spike in crime post covid doesn't mean the crime stats are correct.
That statement requires a level of intellectual inconsistency.
Arguing "the data is fake" when it's bad for your argument and "the data is valid" when it's good for your argument is not a consistent position.
IF the data is fake, then we can't discuss the issue at all b/c there is nothing with veracity from which to take a side.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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has been dropping since some time in 2022 or early 2023.
But, my brother in Christ, this is wrong.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:51 am to SDVTiger
SFP is evil. I'm convinced of it now.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why would I admit I'm wrong when I'm not willing to admit I’m wrong?
Fify
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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IF the data is fake
Here we go. Strawman: [LOADED]
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
Brother take an L every once in a while, it'll be ok. If true this is a 6% swing in the numbers for 2022. The idea that 23 and 24 were also under reported and will be revised isn't that far fetched.
Just in my area, Birmingham, homicide is way up. 153 in 2022, 151 in 2023, and 134 so far in 24. We had 115 at this point last year. We're on pace to comfortably break the 22 record. 1992 used to be the record high at 141 and we're consistently beating that. This is while losing almost 70k in population for the city so the per capita is up too.
There's a lot of crime out there. Is a lot of it concentrated in areas and demographics that most of us aren't a part of or exposed to? Sure but that doesn't make it non existent. Heck this is even with government statistics supporting that the reporting of crime by victims is down from previous years, so we're not even capturing as much in the police data as we used to.
Just in my area, Birmingham, homicide is way up. 153 in 2022, 151 in 2023, and 134 so far in 24. We had 115 at this point last year. We're on pace to comfortably break the 22 record. 1992 used to be the record high at 141 and we're consistently beating that. This is while losing almost 70k in population for the city so the per capita is up too.
There's a lot of crime out there. Is a lot of it concentrated in areas and demographics that most of us aren't a part of or exposed to? Sure but that doesn't make it non existent. Heck this is even with government statistics supporting that the reporting of crime by victims is down from previous years, so we're not even capturing as much in the police data as we used to.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:59 am to Ingeniero
Just like every other data point from these lying motherfrickers.
Put out the lie and grab the headlines, then quietly "revise" them later.
Put out the lie and grab the headlines, then quietly "revise" them later.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:00 am to the808bass
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But, my brother in Christ, this is wrong.
Only if you argue that the data showing this decrease is fake.
And if its fake, then we can't have this discussion, because there is nothing to establish veracity to take a side in the discussion itself. It's all fake.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:00 am to udtiger
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:01 am to Vacherie Saint
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Here we go. Strawman: [LOADED]
Where is the strawman?
He said
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doesn't mean the crime stats are correct.
I called this statement an assumption the data is fake. In what way is that a strawman? How did I incorrectly re-state his position?
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:03 am to AUin02
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Just in my area, Birmingham, homicide is way up. 153 i
That's one city. It's up in BR, too.
It's down in many more places (with larger populations).
Saying violent crime is down is a statement in the aggregate. It doesn't state (or even imply) violent crime is literally down in every jurisdiction.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:03 am to AUin02
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The idea that 23 and 24 were also under reported and will be revised isn't that far fetched.
It’s not only not far fetched. It’s almost assuredly so. We KNOW for a fact NYC fricks with violent crime data to the tune of 20%+ swings in reporting, IF they report it at all.
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Brother take an L every once in a while, it'll be ok.
He already has, bigly. Don’t count on him admitting it.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:07 am to TN Tygah
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One thing we can all count on is that 13% is still doing 50%+
That's just for murder... for all violent crime, it is MUCH higher. It's higher for murder too. The 50% is still underreported. And the overwhelming majority of that crime is being perpetrated by a portion of that 13%, black males within a certain age range. You literally have a single digit percentage of the population committing at least 2/3 of the violent crime in the U.S.. But police trying to do anything about it, or incarcerating those offenders who are caught and convicted, is "racist."
"Why is black people arrested and incarcerated at such higher rates than YT's?! 
" Well, because facts. 
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:08 am to Ingeniero
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:08 am to Vacherie Saint
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It’s not only not far fetched. It’s almost assuredly so.
Bypass the FBI and go straight to the cities' data, like I did.
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He already has, bigly. Don’t count on him admitting it.
What L, exactly?
I even posted receipts saying crime was increasing and didn't start to decline until the end of 2022 or in 2023. I can find more if you want.
Stating "Crime is decreasing in 2024" has nothing to do with a revision to confirm my previous statements about crime increasing in 2022. In fact, it make the current 2024 data an even larger decrease from that peak.
This post was edited on 10/16/24 at 10:09 am
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
You want to play word games just like always. You’ll try to argue at some point that underreported or misreported data isn’t technically “fake”, or that changes in laws or the way DAs charge crimes (if at all) isn’t aimed at gaming FBI data. It’s classic equivocation.
We’ve seen this awful movie before.
We’ve seen this awful movie before.
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