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re: RCP: FBI quietly edits crime stats, crime is actually +4.5%, not -2.1%
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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go straight to the cities' data
JFC now you are just trolling.
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Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:12 am to Vacherie Saint
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You want to play word games just like always.
I specifically asked you to describe how I was
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You’ll try to argue at some point that underreported or misreported data isn’t technically “fake”,
Never said that. THAT is a straw man.
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or that changes in laws or the way DAs charge crimes (if at all) isn’t aimed at gaming FBI data.
Never said that, either. THAT is a straw man.
This is why I use violent crime. Much harder to do this. Murders are the best to use, as it's very hard to change a murder into another crime.
Now, are you going to answer the actual question?
Are you going to ignore me citing a post specifically confirming my position stated ITT?
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:13 am to Vacherie Saint
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JFC now you are just trolling.
If we can't use the data from the cities, then no discussion is possible.
There is no veracity to any claim (positive or negative) if the data is fake.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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That statement requires a level of intellectual inconsistency.
Arguing "the data is fake" when it's bad for your argument and "the data is valid" when it's good for your argument is not a consistent position.
I never said the data was valid. I'm saying it was underreported before the covid spike and underreported after the covid spike. I'm saying the spike doesn't mean the numbers are valid at any point.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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You’ll try to argue at some point that underreported or misreported data isn’t technically “fake”
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Never said that
Then literally one post later
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There is no veracity to any claim (positive or negative) if the data is fake.
This post was edited on 10/16/24 at 10:19 am
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:18 am to jchamil
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I'm saying the spike doesn't mean the numbers are valid at any point.
Which means we can't have a discussion about the topic.
As I said in that post
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IF the data is fake, then we can't discuss the issue at all b/c there is nothing with veracity from which to take a side.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:20 am to Vacherie Saint
Where did I say the data was fake?
Don't edit out posts where I respond to others claiming it's fake with a statement starting with a conditional word (like "if").
I'm not arguing the data is fake.
I am responding to others who say it's fake with the logical implications of that scenario (we can't discuss the issue at all, effectively)
Don't edit out posts where I respond to others claiming it's fake with a statement starting with a conditional word (like "if").
I'm not arguing the data is fake.
I am responding to others who say it's fake with the logical implications of that scenario (we can't discuss the issue at all, effectively)
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Which means we can't have a discussion about the topic.
That's fine. I just don't think the crime stats reflecting a spike in crime after covid is definitive proof that crime stats are not underreported.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Which means we can't have a discussion about the topic.
If the data consistently gets adjusted in one direction across multiple agencies in multiple locales, perhaps you could draw some conclusions to the original data?
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:21 am to jchamil
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I just don't think the crime stats reflecting a spike in crime after covid is definitive proof that crime stats are not underreported.
I understand, which is why I responded with the full statement.
People spiking the football claiming crime is increasing by calling the data fake don't realize they're self-owning themselves and no spike is possible (because there is no veracity from which to argue crime is increasing, or has increased post-Covid, even).
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Yet you keep using the word “fake” over and fricking over again. No one else is characterizing it that way.
You think we don’t know what you’re doing? We aren’t as stupid as you need us to be, junior.
You think we don’t know what you’re doing? We aren’t as stupid as you need us to be, junior.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:23 am to SCTmo
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If the data consistently gets adjusted in one direction across multiple agencies in multiple locales, perhaps you could draw some conclusions to the original data?
Right now the adjustment higher is during a period of increasing crime.
We'll have to wait to see the revisions for 2023-2024 to make that claim. We can't assume revisions in the future that haven't happened. They don't always go up (but they're more likely to go up in periods of increasing crime).
Again, its' a "we can't even have the discussion" scenario. Maybe in 2026.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:24 am to Vacherie Saint
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Yet you keep using the word “fake” over and fricking over again.
In response to people calling the data fake.
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No one else is characterizing it that way.
How are they characterizing it, then?
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:26 am to Ingeniero
There are dozen of articles which show citizens in major cities are not reporting crime anymore due to lack of punishment of criminals or the police not even caring.
He refuses to address these facts.
He refuses to address these facts.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
People here are correctly characterizing this initial FBI data as underreported or incomplete. Because it clearly is and there has been no shortage of sound reporting on that.
This has been the charge all along, and the FBI just essentially confirmed it. You want to rope someone into calling it fake so you can play your gay little equivocation game.
This has been the charge all along, and the FBI just essentially confirmed it. You want to rope someone into calling it fake so you can play your gay little equivocation game.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:30 am to texag7
DAs are not charging criminals in these jurisdictions. They run on this and brag about it. Does that mean the crimes aren’t happening?
Kamala herself wouldn’t charge a drug dealer in SF until their third arrest.
Kamala herself wouldn’t charge a drug dealer in SF until their third arrest.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:38 am to Vacherie Saint
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People here are correctly characterizing this initial FBI data as underreported or incomplete.
Underreported by the cities, correct?
Certainly, incomplete due to cities not reporting, correct?
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there has been no shortage of sound reporting on that.
"Sound? meh
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You want to rope someone into calling it fake
They do this themselves. Just like the "sound" reporting you just referenced.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Ah. The “I know you are, but what am I?” argument.
Gold. Absolute Gold.
Gold. Absolute Gold.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:45 am to Ingeniero
Hmm
So, what this means is the FBI’s modeling for 2022 had to be revised based on the hard data that came in.
Would everyone agree that is an accurate statement?
So, what this means is the FBI’s modeling for 2022 had to be revised based on the hard data that came in.
Would everyone agree that is an accurate statement?
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:46 am to Vacherie Saint
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Ah. The “I know you are, but what am I?” argument.
Is English your second language? My post has none of that
I take it you won't be answering my questions?
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