re: Question on teacher pay raise

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Also she said the money for the raise is coming from the Teacher’s Retirement System.

If that is true it doesn’t sound like it is a prudent plan.

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They want to raid the fund and are dangling this raise as a carrot to get them to bite.

They've been trying to get their hands on the Retirement Fund for years.

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Both of these are absolutely wrong.

The Teacher's Retirement system is about $7 billion in debt (liabilities in excess of funding). The two billion from the liquidated funds would be ADDED to the retirement system. The retirement system is NOT being raided. It actually adds to the sustainability of the retirement system.

Since retirement debt will be lower, the school systems will owe less to the retirement system. Similar to how when you pay down your credit card debt, your monthly note is less.

Those savings will pay for the raises.

Now I am not trying to change your mind on how you vote. There are a lot of considerations.

But at least get the facts right.

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Has more to do with student selection bias than anything else. Public schools have to take every child; private can select from a pool of applicants and usually those applicant families have the additional economic means to pay the tuition.

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Precisely.

Imagine two football coaches:

Coach Private can recruit and hold tryouts. All of his players have parents who are willing and able to pay thousands of dollars to be coached by him, because they think football is very important. If a player has a consistently bad attitude or even just performs poorly, Coach Private can cut him.

Coach Public isn't allowed to recruit. He is required to give everyone who shows up playing time, even if that player is severely physically disabled. Some of his players have parents who care about football, but not all of them. If a player says that he hates football and wants to quit, it's Coach Public's job to convince him otherwise. He technically can cut a player, but doing so requires a mountain of paperwork.

How can we tell who is the better coach?

(I say all this as a person who attended private school K-12.)

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I believe teachers should be highly paid, but also highly trained. During the school year, teachers spend more time with our children than parents do. Their influence upon our children is vastly overlooked.

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I agree. And one thing they must be trained and tested on is the constitution and civics no matter what they teach

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My mom was a public school teacher for 26 years. Taught 3rd and 5th grade. She never once bitched about a pay raise, but what she did bitch about was the unqualified “minority” principals that kept getting installed at the school and worked at that would f*ck sh!t up because they didn’t know what they were doing. But by God they gots them a doctorate degree from some online university.

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sounds like that doctorates degree from an online school is more than your mom got. also sounds like your mom was not smart enough to know her own worth. sad really.

For the most part, teachers (especially in public schools) are not allowed to practice discipline with students (and the students know this and this idea is reinforced and encouraged by shitty parenting who don’t think their little darlings NEVER do anything wrong).Teachers I have spoken to are mostly terrified to exercise ANY kind of discipline in the classroom because of the ramifications up to and including being physically assaulted by students and often, even parents. Based upon what I have been told by teachers I know, I wouldn’t be a teacher at ANY pay rate.

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These numbers are much different if you remove the millions of foreigners from the classroom

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What would they be?