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re: Provide me an African-American view on something
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:35 am to davyjones
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:35 am to davyjones
quote:The problem will be getting a representative response on this forum.quote:Probably the best answer will have to come from an African-American. Not that other perspectives and opinions and viewpoints are worthless, that's not the case, but it would be especially important to hear that viewpoint.
Provide me the African-American view on something
Yes, we have some Black posters, but (for the most part) they are AT LEAST a generation removed from the demographic that is involved in this violence.
Take TBS for an example. College-educated and a retired military officer. I've not asked him, but I doubt he has ever lived within five miles of an inner city, and HIS dad was career military.
I suspect that BHP has a similar background.
I love both of those guys as posters, but they simply are NOT representative of the folks who are destroying our cities in a frenzy of insane looting.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:36 am to RedStickBR
In the US, cops make 10 million arrests per year.
In the process, they kill an average of 500 people, mostly armed suspects.
CHICAGO alone had the same number of homicides in 2019 ....
In the process, they kill an average of 500 people, mostly armed suspects.
CHICAGO alone had the same number of homicides in 2019 ....
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:36 am to Tesla
I'd like to see Biden call TBirdSpur a lying dog-faced pony soldier to his face and then challenge him to a pushup contest. All of this only after Biden tells him he's not black, as mentioned.

Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:36 am to DeLis503
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Ignorant individuals believe black people accept black on black crime. Ignorant individuals believe criminal acts against police and innocent civilians at the hands of a black person is acceptable in the black community. Ignorant individuals believe black people are a monolith. We are not.
Why do so called black leaders never speak out about this but they harp on police killings of unarmed black men, which happened a grand total of 9 times in 2019?
Why don't black leaders speak out about 13% of the population committing 50% of violent crimes?
Why don't black leaders speak out about the 77% out of wedlock birth rate?
Why don't black leaders speak out about black parents not emphasizing academics?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:39 am to RedStickBR
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But why do they matter more when police are doing the killing as compared to when other blacks are doing the killing in exponentially higher numbers?
Because the media can’t use black on black crime to make political points, nor can politicians use black on black crime to stoke racial hatred, preach about racism and use as a platform to get re-elected.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:43 am to AggieHank86
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The problem will be getting a representative response on this forum.
I think one of the pitfalls then becomes the tendency to substitute our own thoughts for that of the "African American view". But it's all fine and good.....the thread title just ends up being, in reality, slightly amended.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:44 am to RedStickBR
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A) In School A, there was one fight last year, instigated by a teacher against a student.
B) In School B, there were 500 fights last year, all instigated by students against other students.
And this is where you go off the rails statistically. Your hypo should be 10 to 1. FBI stats in 2017 had roughly 10 times more black on black homicide deaths than cop on black deaths. That’s just a little bit less than 500 to 1
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:48 am to TigerCruise
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Blacks just want the opportunity to fix their community without prejudice or police brutality.
This is pretty much it. They want what most white people want: security, peace, opportunity, education, full access.
Of course there is a segment of the white and black population which doesn’t value these things.
The difference between good people and bad people isn’t race.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:51 am to Steadmans Cheddar
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And this is where you go off the rails statistically. Your hypo should be 10 to 1. FBI stats in 2017 had roughly 10 times more black on black homicide deaths than cop on black deaths. That’s just a little bit less than 500 to 1
In 2019, there were 9 instances of police killing unarmed black men. In 2018, there were 7,407 reported black on black murders (real number likely much higher).
That's more than 500/1 assuming the 2019 black on black number is roughly equal to the 2018 number.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:54 am to VADawg
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Why don't black leaders speak out about 13% of the population committing 50% of violent crimes?
Why don't black leaders speak out about the 77% out of wedlock birth rate?
Would you believe that poor people commit more violent crimes, and that a higher percentage of black people are poor?
Would you believe that higher income inequality is shown to be linked to higher out of wedlock birth rates?
Pretty sure black leaders have spoken about black poverty, and we’re seeing the effects of that poverty
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:55 am to davyjones
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I think one of the pitfalls then becomes the tendency to substitute our own thoughts for that of the "African American view". But it's all fine and good.....the thread title just ends up being, in reality, slightly amended.
You’re right. My thread title has been amended.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:58 am to RedStickBR
quote:Being pulled by a cop for anything under any circumstances is an inherently more dangerous interaction than with their white counterparts.
Provide me an African-American view on something
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:02 am to Steadmans Cheddar
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And this is where you go off the rails statistically. Your hypo should be 10 to 1. FBI stats in 2017 had roughly 10 times more black on black homicide deaths than cop on black deaths. That’s just a little bit less than 500 to 1
Please corroborate. Because black on black deaths were about 483x as prevalent as white cop on unarmed black deaths in 2016 based on data posted in the “Relevant Statistics” thread. It could be the armed vs unarmed distinction.
ETA: thanks for the additional data VADawg
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 8:06 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:05 am to Steadmans Cheddar
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Would you believe that poor people commit more violent crimes, and that a higher percentage of black people are poor?
Would you believe that higher income inequality is shown to be linked to higher out of wedlock birth rates?
Pretty sure black leaders have spoken about black poverty, and we’re seeing the effects of that poverty
These are issues that are, in my opinion, more relevant to Black America than white cops killing black people. But the issues you’ve outlined entail personal responsibility and don’t allow for a scapegoat. Neither one of those things is going to get much airtime from the liberal side of the debate.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:09 am to TBoy
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This is pretty much it. They want what most white people want: security, peace, opportunity, education, full access.
Of course there is a segment of the white and black population which doesn’t value these things.
The difference between good people and bad people isn’t race.
There are absolutely good and bad blacks and good and bad whites.
It is disgusting to me, though, that well-intentioned, kind-hearted, educated blacks are often shamed as being untrue to themselves amongst liberals and other blacks.
Conservatives and Moderates are much less prone to scorn a black man for not embodying inner city behaviors, in my view.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:10 am to RedStickBR
I asked a black friend one day, have you experienced any racism? This was his reply:
I was on a train one day and some white people boarded and I got up and told them they could have my seat, they said no, we'll stand.
He took that as racism. I told him that I often stand because of my bad back and could have been something as simple as that. Bottom line:
They've been programmed by our education system, media and their black leaders to interpret any perceived slight as racism.
I work with a few black people and consider them friends, we talk about these issues and they all agree that the media is lying to them BUT they still vote democrat. It's such an oxymoron that you would vote for the actual policies that are destroying your community because you are an Uncle Tom if you don't.
There are a few black people that blaze their own trail and think for themselves but it is not the majority.
I was on a train one day and some white people boarded and I got up and told them they could have my seat, they said no, we'll stand.
He took that as racism. I told him that I often stand because of my bad back and could have been something as simple as that. Bottom line:
They've been programmed by our education system, media and their black leaders to interpret any perceived slight as racism.
I work with a few black people and consider them friends, we talk about these issues and they all agree that the media is lying to them BUT they still vote democrat. It's such an oxymoron that you would vote for the actual policies that are destroying your community because you are an Uncle Tom if you don't.
There are a few black people that blaze their own trail and think for themselves but it is not the majority.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:18 am to Walkthedawg
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I was on a train one day and some white people boarded and I got up and told them they could have my seat, they said no, we'll stand.
Wait, is that all he came up with?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:25 am to NC_Tigah
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Being pulled by a cop for anything under any circumstances is an inherently more dangerous interaction than with their white counterparts.
I can agree that even when statistically normalized this is likely true. And this needs to end. As soon as possible.
My point is just that while we have all of this societal momentum, let’s make progress across the other two legs of the stool as well.
What do whites need to do better? “You’ll never understand” is not the answer. You have many white people (albeit some of them for self-glorifying reasons) trying to understand. Help us understand.
What do blacks need to do better? This is apparently off limits in most mainstream media and Democratic circles. Why? Where’s the black leadership on this front? I see a lot of conservative, outspoken blacks on social media attempting to carry this mantle. Why won’t liberal networks give them any airtime?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:26 am to luckylefty
Dont believe every Dave Chapelle comedy act you see. If I get mad at a cop he is going to beat me, taze me, throw me on the ground, cuff me, (possibly shoot me) bring me to jail, and he will suffer no consequences because I was displaying aggression. If you think cops aren’t unjustly murdering white people and getting away with it, please watch the uncensored Daniel Shaver video where the cop is playing simon says with him as he sobs and pleads for his life, and then the cop unloads on him with a rifle, later to be acquitted. Nobody protested for that one. There are hundreds of those instances but do you, a black man, honestly believe that the media is reporting when a white man is killed by police? Or could it be that in an effort to constantly divide whites and blacks, the media illuminates these select atrocities that fit a certain narrative? Could it be that black americans were liberated from actual slavery to the democrat elites, only to become psycological slaves the the democratic party? Wake up.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:28 am to VADawg
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In 2018, there were 7,407 reported black on black murders (real number likely much higher).
That is quite literally an unbelievable number. I’ll go with the FBI crime database which puts it at 2600, about 1/3 your number. LINK
And I said cop on black deaths, which is ballpark about 1/10 of the black on black homicide number. I didn’t arbitrarily limit it to unarmed deaths.
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