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re: Provide me an African-American view on something
Posted on 6/3/20 at 1:10 am to RedStickBR
Posted on 6/3/20 at 1:10 am to RedStickBR
It is my personal opinion that if you perceive what is going on as the result of Mr. Floyd’s death, that and that alone, you have missed the mark. It is for: Life. Liberty. The Pursuit of Happiness. As a black person in America.
If you truly want to understand, you have to acknowledge AND accept slavery for what it truly was. The only reason that America is GREAT is because it was built on the backs of slaves. But for slaves, whites would have never had the opportunities they had. Whites stole OVER 400 hundred years from a race, and many walk around oblivious to what this has done to America. To Black America.
Many whites try to empathize with black people, but most of them lack the capacity. Not for lack of effort, but whites will never be subjected to the life of a black person. Blacks and whites are not equal. This country was designed to ensure black people remained in an oppressive state. From the constitution to local ordinances, the law is systematically designed to prohibit the growth of black Americans. You will never understand the what’s, how’s and why’s, because you are not black.
Now, what does all this mean and how does this impact present day? What you are witnessing is the hurt and anger black people have desperately tried to avoid. What happens when black people peacefully protest? You lose your job and you get called a SOB. You accept being a token and the white guy gets promoted. You assert your right against a warrantless search, void of probable cause, and die in police custody.
How long must black people continue to subject themselves to systematic racism? Accept socio-economic oppression? Be devalued to worthless of life, simply because of the color of their skin?
Ignorant individuals believe black people accept black on black crime. Ignorant individuals believe criminal acts against police and innocent civilians at the hands of a black person is acceptable in the black community. Ignorant individuals believe black people are a monolith. We are not.
I applaud those who are making an effort to understand. However, you continue to focus on inconsequential and irrelevant variables. Statistics are semantics at this point. A life is a life notwithstanding who takes it. A young black kid walking to school gets caught in crossfire and killed by another black person, does not chance the value of his life if it were a white, green, pink or blue officer that pulled the trigger.
Historically and categorically the very existence of a black person has been dehumanized and devalued.
Simply put, Black Americans want to have what ALL Americans are afforded- Life. Liberty. The Pursuit of Happiness.
If you truly want to understand, you have to acknowledge AND accept slavery for what it truly was. The only reason that America is GREAT is because it was built on the backs of slaves. But for slaves, whites would have never had the opportunities they had. Whites stole OVER 400 hundred years from a race, and many walk around oblivious to what this has done to America. To Black America.
Many whites try to empathize with black people, but most of them lack the capacity. Not for lack of effort, but whites will never be subjected to the life of a black person. Blacks and whites are not equal. This country was designed to ensure black people remained in an oppressive state. From the constitution to local ordinances, the law is systematically designed to prohibit the growth of black Americans. You will never understand the what’s, how’s and why’s, because you are not black.
Now, what does all this mean and how does this impact present day? What you are witnessing is the hurt and anger black people have desperately tried to avoid. What happens when black people peacefully protest? You lose your job and you get called a SOB. You accept being a token and the white guy gets promoted. You assert your right against a warrantless search, void of probable cause, and die in police custody.
How long must black people continue to subject themselves to systematic racism? Accept socio-economic oppression? Be devalued to worthless of life, simply because of the color of their skin?
Ignorant individuals believe black people accept black on black crime. Ignorant individuals believe criminal acts against police and innocent civilians at the hands of a black person is acceptable in the black community. Ignorant individuals believe black people are a monolith. We are not.
I applaud those who are making an effort to understand. However, you continue to focus on inconsequential and irrelevant variables. Statistics are semantics at this point. A life is a life notwithstanding who takes it. A young black kid walking to school gets caught in crossfire and killed by another black person, does not chance the value of his life if it were a white, green, pink or blue officer that pulled the trigger.
Historically and categorically the very existence of a black person has been dehumanized and devalued.
Simply put, Black Americans want to have what ALL Americans are afforded- Life. Liberty. The Pursuit of Happiness.
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 1:15 am to geaux88
Not black but there have been countless protest and movies and everything else about gang violence
How can you stop black on black violence which is mostly gang violence without the cops? If cops are just another gang how can you call for them to crackdown on gang violence
How can you stop black on black violence which is mostly gang violence without the cops? If cops are just another gang how can you call for them to crackdown on gang violence
Posted on 6/3/20 at 1:39 am to RedStickBR
It all stems from the War on drugs and over policing. In Ferguson the DOJ stated that blacks were more than twice as likely to be searched once pulled over than whites, but 26% less likely to actually have contraband. There is definitely racial disparity in the way people are policed.
Drug convictions are used to eliminate people from the working society and lead to people generating money illegally or taking from others.
Blacks are targeted for drugs despite being less likely to do drugs than whites. Blacks are arrested 3 times more than whites for drugs. They are sent to prison at almost 10 times the rate of whites for drug offenses. They get sentenced on average 58 months on drug related charges while whites get 60 months for violent crimes. This is ridiculous.
Everyone is equal under the law, but the application of the law, how it is enforced, and the punishment for breaking it varies based on race, gender, age, and class .
When crack ravished the black communities in the 80s and 90s there was no sympathy. They just locked up a bunch addicts and left kids to be raised by grandparents or the streets.
They made the punishment for crack so much more severe than cocaine eventhough chemically they were the same drug.
When the opioid and heroin problem struck White America it became a public health crisis. The federal government cut a check for 9 billion to the states for treatment and prevention services.
Blacks are definitely impacted more by the current police state, but don't let the "race card" turn you off from what's really going on.
In the last 30 years Americans are a lot less free than we make out to be.
The prioritizing officer safety over citizen safety has swung way too far.
The threshold for which officers are allowed to use deadly force is way too low. "He made a sudden move so its okay that I killed him" is not acceptable.
American military personnel have to show more restraint when dealing with foreign civilians in a war zone than what cops show dealing with American citizens on American soil.
That blows my mind how we let this happen.
Drug convictions are used to eliminate people from the working society and lead to people generating money illegally or taking from others.
Blacks are targeted for drugs despite being less likely to do drugs than whites. Blacks are arrested 3 times more than whites for drugs. They are sent to prison at almost 10 times the rate of whites for drug offenses. They get sentenced on average 58 months on drug related charges while whites get 60 months for violent crimes. This is ridiculous.
Everyone is equal under the law, but the application of the law, how it is enforced, and the punishment for breaking it varies based on race, gender, age, and class .
When crack ravished the black communities in the 80s and 90s there was no sympathy. They just locked up a bunch addicts and left kids to be raised by grandparents or the streets.
They made the punishment for crack so much more severe than cocaine eventhough chemically they were the same drug.
When the opioid and heroin problem struck White America it became a public health crisis. The federal government cut a check for 9 billion to the states for treatment and prevention services.
Blacks are definitely impacted more by the current police state, but don't let the "race card" turn you off from what's really going on.
In the last 30 years Americans are a lot less free than we make out to be.
The prioritizing officer safety over citizen safety has swung way too far.
The threshold for which officers are allowed to use deadly force is way too low. "He made a sudden move so its okay that I killed him" is not acceptable.
American military personnel have to show more restraint when dealing with foreign civilians in a war zone than what cops show dealing with American citizens on American soil.
That blows my mind how we let this happen.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 1:50 am to DeLis503
quote:
If you truly want to understand, you have to acknowledge AND accept slavery for what it truly was. The only reason that America is GREAT is because it was built on the backs of slaves. But for slaves, whites would have never had the opportunities they had. Whites stole OVER 400 hundred years from a race, and many walk around oblivious to what this has done to America. To Black America.
The ignorance in this statement is astounding. Where did you learn this shite at?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 2:00 am to dcrews
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This is why Black Lives Matter is a joke. They only matter when their death can be used for political gain
This and let's not forget there is alot of money to be made in white on black crime just ask Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. You never hear these clowns talking about black on black crime which is the main cause of these black lives that supposedly matter so much. Also Big lawsuits against corporations for black discrimination etc is big $$$.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 2:15 am to TigerCruise
quote:Name 1 right they don’t have that white people have? Affirmative action?
have the same opportunities as everyone else.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 2:27 am to OleWar
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Unless you just believe Americans are exponentially more criminal than the rest of the world
What if I believe this?
Why would you believe this? Elaborate. Even if you is removed the black prison population the US would only trail China by 200,000 even though China has 5 times the population of the US. The US has 2.2 million people incarcerated with approximately 700,000- 800,000 being black. China has 1.7 million prisoners, but has 5 times the population of the US.
I find US citizens to be some of the most moral and God fearing people left on Earth, but for whatever reason 1/4 of all prisoners are US citizens.
It gets even worse when you realize how many people are living on probation, parole or some type of supervised work release program. Almost 7 million Americans. We have a seriously flawed for profit justice system.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 2:35 am to tigergirl10
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Name 1 right they don’t have that white people have? Affirmative action?
Everyone is equal under the law, but the application of the law, how it is enforced, and the punishment for breaking it varies based on race, gender, age, and class.
Everyone has seen how people are treated differently when exercising rights. Black people who legally carry firearms are treated way different than their white counter parts. While we may all legally have the same rights we are all not allowed to exercise those rights in the same manner.
White vs black open carry social experiment
Affirmative Action benefits White Women more than any other group by far, like its not even close. So white people benefit from Affirmative Action more than blacks. There are recent studies done with stats from the Department of Labor to corroborate that.
Affirmative is the boogeyman for white males, but chances are your mother, sister, spouse, and your daughter's have benefited from it.
The real topic at hand is the police state we currently live in and the eroding of Constitutional freedoms that once made this country great.
Don't be distracted or dissuaded from taking the correct stance because the media made it a racial issue. Blacks are suffering the most, but we are all suffering.
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 2:54 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 6:29 am to RedStickBR
This country believes that victim should be compensated. The media and politicians tell us that black people have nothing, therefore incapable of being the compensators. They also insinuate that whites have everything, mainly because of theft( took the land from native Americans) or by slavery. Whitey must pay
Posted on 6/3/20 at 6:31 am to TigerCruise
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What they want to stop is the racists jokes,
You mean like the racist jokes uttered non-stop by EVERY black comedian that is beloved by the Black Community?
quote:
Blacks just want the opportunity to fix their community without prejudice or police brutality.
There is no epidemic of Police brutality against Black people.
Black people, just like every other "people", are their own worst enemies.
Their constant refusal to self-examine show they lack the will or ability to solve the REAL problems they face.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 6:32 am to BhamDore
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Affirmative is the boogeyman for white males,
No, the boogeyman isn't real, the damage done by Affirmative Action is very real.
AA is government sponsored racism, period, end of story.
Why should white men endorse it?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 6:34 am to BhamDore
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Black people who legally carry firearms are treated way different than their white counter parts.
Of course they are, young black men are the most violent Demographic in the country.
quote:
Affirmative is the boogeyman for white males,
Unwarranted Police violence against innocent black people is the boogeyman for the Black Community, so.....
Posted on 6/3/20 at 6:40 am to samson73103
Oh...I thought he meant Alcoholics Anonymous.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:03 am to BhamDore
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It all stems from the War on drugs and over policing
maybe, but what led to drug use? why the gangs? why the poverty?
quote:
There is definitely racial disparity in the way people are policed.
Where are the bulk of crimes committed on other people and businesses? it's younger black males... whites commit crimes, but not in concentrated areas.
Concentrated areas are like a breeding ground for more crime "it must be ok because I see so many others doing it"...
what do teens say "everyone else is doing it" "why can't I?".... because I said so that's why
quote:I'd have to have some numbers on this...rich white kids do drugs, we know, and daddy can probably hire a good lawyer
Blacks are targeted for drugs despite being less likely to do drugs than whites
quote:
Everyone is equal under the law, but the application of the law, how it is enforced, and the punishment for breaking it varies based on race, gender, age, and class .
now this is starting to sound like a Rachel Maddow show
quote:
When crack ravished the black communities in the 80s and 90s there was no sympathy. They just locked up a bunch addicts and left kids to be raised by grandparents or the streets.
They made the punishment for crack so much more severe than cocaine even though chemically they were the same drug.
Talking to officers in Durham NC about legalizing drugs, I was told, "well, let us know when you want to go out at night and get to witness 12 year old girls out prostituting for their own mother's addiction" ....so maybe you don't understand the impact on just one family...removing kids from that situation is better than turning the other cheek. and yeah, the kids loses the parent, but let's be honest, that parent wasn't being a parent any longer
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When the opioid and heroin problem struck White America it became a public health crisis. The federal government cut a check for 9 billion to the states for treatment and prevention services
yet we lose 198 people a day to opioid over dose...
watch "Seattle is dying" on Netflix and then come back talk more about this drug conversation... I want you to see the impact of white liberalism policy
restoring the black family is the #1 priority we should talking about, it's one family at a time, there are no short cuts...
#2 priority is getting black people off the Democrat payroll "you will vote for us"
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:26 am to BhamDore
quote:
The real topic at hand is the police state we currently live in and the eroding of Constitutional freedoms that once made this country great. Don't be distracted or dissuaded from taking the correct stance because the media made it a racial issue.
Yes. This.
This is one of my underlying points. George Floyd’s death has been used to stoke racial tensions and divide people who have otherwise fully agreed the police behavior in this case was 100% wrong.
But when you make it racial, it opens the door to the questions I’ve been asking in this thread.
The “you don’t share our experience and thus shouldn’t attempt to understand how we feel” approach needs to either (a) be disposed of or (b) be extended to the media and white liberals. Have you noticed how quickly white liberal politicians have been to capitalize on what they’ve portrayed as a racial issue?
Also, blacks should stop saying this “you can’t understand” bit. It’s a horrible negotiating position. If I’m incapable of understanding your position, I have zero incentive to accede to your demands. There have been numerous groups in history who didn’t have shared experiences who were nonetheless able to reach a deal or agreement on something precisely because the proponents were so damn good at getting the other side to understand their position.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:28 am to oogabooga68
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Their constant refusal to self-examine show they lack the will or ability to solve the REAL problems they face.
This, too. The injustice discussed in this thread is a multi-faceted issue. Let’s all have an honest discussion and self-examination: Whites, Cops and, yes, Blacks
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:29 am to StringedInstruments
The belief is that blacks kill blacks because they are the victims of long term systemic racism
Huh?
Huh?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:31 am to ApexTiger
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restoring the black family is the #1 priority we should talking about, it's one family at a time, there are no short cuts...
#2 priority is getting black people off the Democrat payroll "you will vote for us"
Preach. We should have a national conversation and one round of that conversation should be entirely introspective. We hear a lot about what everyone else should be doing to make life better for black people. But what about some things they can do? We never hear that.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:32 am to thelawnwranglers
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Probably the best answer will have to come from an African-American.
Biden said we don't have any on Poli Board
Yeah, TBirdSpur. Biden says you’re not black.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:33 am to TigerCruise
quote:I have an idea. Let's start with folks in those communities following each and every law on the books. What if police actions in these communities are the results of classic conditioning? What if the police actions are a result of people breaking the law and resist any police activity because "it's because I am black"? Get a job, quit selling crack on the street corner, be mutually respectful of one another and I bet things would be different in a month.
Blacks just want the opportunity to fix their community without prejudice or police brutality.
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