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re: Post Mortem: Who Is To Blame For DeSantis’ Horrible Showing In Iowa?
Posted on 1/16/24 at 3:53 pm to tigerfoot
Posted on 1/16/24 at 3:53 pm to tigerfoot
DeSantis failure is pretty stunning especially considering what he has done in Florida. I think he made a mistake on his camp team and even going for it this year once Trump was in.
He might be falling into the Jindal trap and never be seen again which is a shame since he has done so well in Florida
He might be falling into the Jindal trap and never be seen again which is a shame since he has done so well in Florida
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 3:57 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Post Mortem: Who Is To Blame For DeSantis’ Horrible Showing In Iowa?
-DeSantis: He made his calls including timing.
-Trump: He went after DeSantis while Ron played with one hand behind his back.
-Indictments: These created a "rally around Trump" effect, allowing Trump to squeeze out Trump. The polls track this pretty closely. DeSantis's fall started with the indictments.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:03 pm to Vacherie Saint
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He wasn’t Ron. To make things worse, he got out-Ronned by Vivek. I know this triggers tf out of his supporters, but his campaign felt like he was taking advice from old guard GOP types
I don't think this triggers anyone but a question - what advice was he taking from old guard GOP types?
Personally, I was surprised by how little charisma he showed but then I've never seen him during a campaign before. In any case, I don't think he could have said/done anything that would have resulted in him getting traction v. Trump after the Dems started indicting DT.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:08 pm to Big4SALTbro
quote:oh, he is done. He pissed away a legit chance to be potus.
He might be falling into the Jindal trap and never be seen again which is a shame since he has done so well in Florida
Just awful
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:08 pm to Vacherie Saint
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He wasn’t Ron. To make things worse, he got out-Ronned by Vivek. I know this triggers tf out of his supporters, but his campaign felt like he was taking advice from old guard GOP types.
Agreed, but I think that's only a part of it. I think another big aspect is Trump and the Dem attempts to lawfare Trump out of the race.
Trump has a built-in following from his first term, many of them are die-hard ever-Trumpers, those who take the put-America-first philosophy very seriously and/or those who just look back on our projection of strength on the international stage, border security and the economy during Trump's tenure and consider it to be scores better than what we've had under Biden.
These are voters who then are more exposed to his talking points about how the Left is hellbent on breaking any and every law to keep him from getting back into the White House, and with each new prosecution, ballot exemption attempt, etc. more move from the "he's just talking shite" camp to the "holy shite, he's right" camp. That becomes strong motivation to go out and vote for him (as opposed to against another candidate) and each successive attempt or new news story about these attempts just further galvanizes that support.
Another aspect of this is that a lot of the non-Trump caucus voters aren't voting for their candidate nearly so much as they are just voting "anyone but Trump". There's less motivation in that.
As I said in another thread, that extra motivation for Trump supporters means they are more likely to get out and vote regardless of the weather conditions than the others. Thus, the worse the weather, the better the odds for Trump.
No one was going to beat Trump in Iowa regardless, but the weather allowed that to be writ in such large letters that not even the pundits at PMSNBC could avoid it. New Hampshire will likely be the same (it's a more purple state so he may be closer to 40% than 50%, but he's still going to run away with it) as their weather is supposed to be even worse when they caucus.
Haley was riding an incredible wave of positive media and polling data, but was only able to squeeze out third place. Ron was hitting the media hard but they were lukewarm to him (at best) and his polling numbers were in decline.
Within that context, I think Ron had a fantastic showing. He was never going to win but he managed to beat the media and pollsters to pull out a 2nd place finish above the media's anointed candidate. It's only a bit of a moral victory, but I certainly wouldn't classify it as "horrible" (unless it's to say "least horrible").
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:08 pm to KiwiHead
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To hammer Trump, you have to hammer Trump. Does not matter, you hammer him. He calls you a name, you make him pay even if it's a little. Make Trump look like the a-hole.....if you really are interested in giving it a good run. DeSantis even had the money behind him.
This is correct. DeSantis played nice in the sandbox. There is no sandbox in a Donald Trump race.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:08 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Post Mortem: Who Is To Blame For DeSantis’ Horrible Showing In Iowa?
No one. He never had any possible chance of doing better with Trump in the race.
Trump supporters jumping up and down pretending like DeSantis could have done better but didn’t because he made mistakes are even worse than the people who honestly thought he had a chance.
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:10 pm to the808bass
The fragility of the Trump cucks is on display here daily so I don’t know if this would have been the right play. They’ve already shown their willingness to not vote at the direction of Trump.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:15 pm to David_DJS
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what advice was he taking from old guard GOP types?
That he could run, pull the dyed in wool establishment types (mostly the religious right who hate Trump for being ‘crude’), and pull enough Trump supporters away to form a competitive coalition.
Then he immediately allied himself with the McCain/Romney shitheads that nobody who initially chose to vote for Trump likes.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:26 pm to GoldenGuy
It was worse than that. He ran scared of Trump more than anything else....also spent too much time mentioning Florida. Iowa voters, New Hampshire voters don't really give a flying F about Florida. He needed to address them.... and if he did, it did not resonate.
But ultimately he had to overcome Trump, the perception, which is almost demigod like to many who are going to vote in Republican primaries
But ultimately he had to overcome Trump, the perception, which is almost demigod like to many who are going to vote in Republican primaries
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:30 pm to Toomer Deplorable
I still think DeSantis would have been a very effective president.
But whether he made his own miscalculations based on his prior growing popularity and/or listened to very poor advice from others, he greatly underestimated the juggernaut of Trump’s own continued popularity and appeal to the vast majority of the Republican base and the loyalty and trust Trump earned from those folks.
Gov D would’ve been better served to continue to get things done in FL and let the Trump phenomenon/era play out to it’s conclusion, whenever that time comes…instead of being seen as directly involved in trying to bring it to a conclusion.
But whether he made his own miscalculations based on his prior growing popularity and/or listened to very poor advice from others, he greatly underestimated the juggernaut of Trump’s own continued popularity and appeal to the vast majority of the Republican base and the loyalty and trust Trump earned from those folks.
Gov D would’ve been better served to continue to get things done in FL and let the Trump phenomenon/era play out to it’s conclusion, whenever that time comes…instead of being seen as directly involved in trying to bring it to a conclusion.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:31 pm to Toomer Deplorable
DeSantis is dealing with a political force unlike any in my lifetime. Trump has a mission to complete. Let's face it - Trump probably could have dropped out to the race and all of the charges against him would go away. Instead, he's taking on all comers and the people are showing their appreciation by giving him an opportunity to do something that honestly, no one else has a chance of doing. That is to give us back some of our freedom by taking the teeth out of the corrupt establishment in DC.
It's not DeSantis' fault, and if anybody thinks he's "done", they are sadly mistaken. I think Ron DeSantis has as a better shot at being a future President than any body else in America, right now.
It's not DeSantis' fault, and if anybody thinks he's "done", they are sadly mistaken. I think Ron DeSantis has as a better shot at being a future President than any body else in America, right now.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:33 pm to Toomer Deplorable
I find the audacity of the Ronbots rather satisfying.
Gets his arse absolutely handed to him yet we’re supposed to give credibility to people like Tigerjumpingoffthemountain about “what went wrong”
The bulk of you are the least bright people on this board and with you now trying to claw out of your convictions is utterly pathetic. Still vile as usual. After this disaster of a campaign, I hope people remind you daily Rob saddled his horse to an establishment machine that cost him a future as POTUS.
Gets his arse absolutely handed to him yet we’re supposed to give credibility to people like Tigerjumpingoffthemountain about “what went wrong”
The bulk of you are the least bright people on this board and with you now trying to claw out of your convictions is utterly pathetic. Still vile as usual. After this disaster of a campaign, I hope people remind you daily Rob saddled his horse to an establishment machine that cost him a future as POTUS.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:34 pm to GoldenGuy
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That he could run, pull the dyed in wool establishment types (mostly the religious right who hate Trump for being ‘crude’), and pull enough Trump supporters away to form a competitive coalition.
If DeSantis thought he could beat Trump at winning the establishment vote, that was pretty stupid.
I didn’t know the religious right hated Trump.
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Then he immediately allied himself with the McCain/Romney shitheads that nobody who initially chose to vote for Trump likes.
How did he do this?
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:36 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:36 pm to theCAW
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a “man” that feels the need to wear 6” heels to make himself look taller certainly wouldn’t be uncertain of himself would he?
Have you seen the spray on tan Trump has sported for decades and that onion loaf he wears on top of his head?
Holy shite man. Shoe lifts are nothing compared to that. Trump's looked like a clown his whole frickin' adult life.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:37 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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I repeatedly asked what exactly Christina Pushaw — a John McCain acolyte and a neocon political hack — brought to Team DeSantis?
IC asset?
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:37 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Is that Ukraine post supposed to be some evidence of something important? Because I can promise you almost no primary voters even know who tf she is in the first place
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:37 pm to idlewatcher
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The bulk of you are the least bright people on this board
You supported Stacey Abrams. STFU about anybody else’s intelligence.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:39 pm to tigerfoot
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less with more than any political candidate ever.
Nope, that dubious honor will forever belong to JEB!
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