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re: Philosophical Discussion: Why does the far left keep winning and winning big?
Posted on 4/5/23 at 12:52 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Posted on 4/5/23 at 12:52 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:That's Trump, not a real conservative.
You’re describing the orange face of the entire conservative movement without irony or awareness and still wondering why you’re losing
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Posted on 4/5/23 at 12:55 pm to Jake88
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That's Trump, not a real conservative.
Tell us what a "real conxervative" is
Posted on 4/5/23 at 12:58 pm to Jake88
Right, that’s what I’m getting at
Time to get a dignified, intelligent person back in charge to restore some balance
Leave the MTG’s of the world behind and stand on policy and common sense instead of mic drop attempts at owning the libbies
Time to get a dignified, intelligent person back in charge to restore some balance
Leave the MTG’s of the world behind and stand on policy and common sense instead of mic drop attempts at owning the libbies
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:05 pm to Fun Bunch
The far left ain’t winning shite, in fact the liberal Democratic Party does serious work to marginalize the power of the left-of-liberal interests in this country.
What you are witnessing is the general public realigning behind the Democratic Party who has done a much better job of representing the prevailing moderate position of the American electorate.
Conservative mainstream media is just weird as hell now and obsessed with things most Americans couldn’t care less about or rather top down government not get involved in. The conservative movement did a great job of carving out the middle position for themselves since Reagan’s 1980 election. They’ve lost that since The Great Recession.
Makes sense since the main body of the GOP base is middle class white people and the 2008 collapse is the cause for many of these people to sense that they have downward mobility rather than stability economically speaking.
What you are witnessing is the general public realigning behind the Democratic Party who has done a much better job of representing the prevailing moderate position of the American electorate.
Conservative mainstream media is just weird as hell now and obsessed with things most Americans couldn’t care less about or rather top down government not get involved in. The conservative movement did a great job of carving out the middle position for themselves since Reagan’s 1980 election. They’ve lost that since The Great Recession.
Makes sense since the main body of the GOP base is middle class white people and the 2008 collapse is the cause for many of these people to sense that they have downward mobility rather than stability economically speaking.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:05 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:
Leave the MTG’s of the world behind and stand on policy and common sense instead of mic drop attempts at owning the libbies
Can you name these please.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:07 pm to Diego Ricardo
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What you are witnessing is the general public realigning behind the Democratic Party who has done a much better job of representing the prevailing moderate position of the American electorate.
So war with Russia, student loan bail outs, more bank bail outs, high cost of energy?
That’s why moderates vote democrat?
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:15 pm to Fun Bunch
You are getting a lot of "free shite" and stupid people responses. But the truth I suspect is largely different. Like I said earlier I personally know a lot of people in Blue states that are largely conservative types who will vote for the Democrat over the Republican especially since 2008.
1) They saw that Obama was not an idiot and largely governed pragmatically. These people largely did well during that era. They were not wild about gay marriage and some of the cultural issues but they saw a sober and thoughtful Executive by and large who did not act stupidly or recklessly. These people are largely highly educated and do work extremely hard for their money.
2) Lack of choice locally. In some locals the Democrats are the only choice. Like in Louisiana by and large the Republican is the only choice today. Sure you might get a conservative Democrat a la JBE but in this upcoming election our choices are by and large which Republican. In places like NJ, NY and Mass. It's the other way.
3) Republicans today. They look at national Republicans and by and large they see a collection of loons. MTG, Lauren Boebert, Louie Gohmert ( who is not he's a former judge), and some others and it turns them off. It's not that they are in love with Pelosi or Schumer or Cory Booker for example, but they see their Rep or Senator not making crazy comments and taking what they see as ridiculous positions....it's not about extreme....it's about ridiculous.
This was the thinking I got from a lot of people up there. They hate the freeloaders as well. From a political standpoint they see the Republican Party as a bunch of Southern reactionaries mostly. People who are unable to come up with cogent governing whose only interest is the feigned outraged soundbyte.
A lot on this board don't want to buy these assessments because this board is largely an echo chamber full of cheerleaders and what abouts filled with a healthy dose of foolish conspiracy nuts
1) They saw that Obama was not an idiot and largely governed pragmatically. These people largely did well during that era. They were not wild about gay marriage and some of the cultural issues but they saw a sober and thoughtful Executive by and large who did not act stupidly or recklessly. These people are largely highly educated and do work extremely hard for their money.
2) Lack of choice locally. In some locals the Democrats are the only choice. Like in Louisiana by and large the Republican is the only choice today. Sure you might get a conservative Democrat a la JBE but in this upcoming election our choices are by and large which Republican. In places like NJ, NY and Mass. It's the other way.
3) Republicans today. They look at national Republicans and by and large they see a collection of loons. MTG, Lauren Boebert, Louie Gohmert ( who is not he's a former judge), and some others and it turns them off. It's not that they are in love with Pelosi or Schumer or Cory Booker for example, but they see their Rep or Senator not making crazy comments and taking what they see as ridiculous positions....it's not about extreme....it's about ridiculous.
This was the thinking I got from a lot of people up there. They hate the freeloaders as well. From a political standpoint they see the Republican Party as a bunch of Southern reactionaries mostly. People who are unable to come up with cogent governing whose only interest is the feigned outraged soundbyte.
A lot on this board don't want to buy these assessments because this board is largely an echo chamber full of cheerleaders and what abouts filled with a healthy dose of foolish conspiracy nuts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:17 pm to Fun Bunch
First, the far left hasn’t won shite and I have no idea why anyone fears them. Corporate Dems still have all the real power in this country. AOC ain’t going to be Speaker of the House anytime soon.
Second, the right has become a bunch of cult psychos that have horrible and unpopular ideas, if any, on how to fix anything. Republicans have become incredibly easy to beat because they refuse to reform and this enables the democrats to be even more shitty.
Both parties are in major need of reform but neither has the will nor incentive. This cyclical nightmare will likely continue for the rest of my lifetime. Sad!
Second, the right has become a bunch of cult psychos that have horrible and unpopular ideas, if any, on how to fix anything. Republicans have become incredibly easy to beat because they refuse to reform and this enables the democrats to be even more shitty.
Both parties are in major need of reform but neither has the will nor incentive. This cyclical nightmare will likely continue for the rest of my lifetime. Sad!
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:17 pm to dgnx6
Democrats are the party of pedophilia!
Every stupid nickname Trump churned out
Basically everything y’all make a thread jerking off to
Normal people don’t respond to that shite, and most people are normal people.
Every stupid nickname Trump churned out
Basically everything y’all make a thread jerking off to
Normal people don’t respond to that shite, and most people are normal people.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:22 pm to Fun Bunch
19th amendment
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:22 pm to Perfect Circle
You do realize that divorce is higher in Southern Republican led states as opposed to Northern liberal states.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:23 pm to dgnx6
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So war with Russia, student loan bail outs, more bank bail outs, high cost of energy? That’s why moderates vote democrat?
Americans only care about foreign policy when the other side is doing something. And really that is only the political weirdos that are terminally online. Americans, broadly speaking, are checked out on foreign policy since the draft was suspended.
Americans don’t care about bank bailouts as long as it is not happening during high unemployment. Which is not the case right now.
Seems like high energy prices did not help the GOP in 2022, so I reckon the voters didn’t care that much about it in the face of other issues.
As the Kiwi dude said, y’all live in a far right echo chamber that has made you completely unable to diagnose what is going on with the conservative movement.
This post was edited on 4/5/23 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:33 pm to Fun Bunch
Any discussion of why right wing politicians don't win elections has to consider that prevailing right wing political discourse has nothing to do with managing the government or planning for future events. It's all about who to hate or the latest political outrage. Just objectively follow political board topics for a couple of days and you will see the prevailing pattern.
Most democrats and independents demonstrate at least an interest in the operation of government. That might make them seem more desirable than the right wing candidate who just wants to tear everything down, take away reproductive rights and stick it to the libs.
It wasn't always this way. During the late 70s and the 80s, republicans had political thinkers who held sway in the party and who wrote about their vision of how government was to be operated. Popular right wing commenters now don't do anything of the kind.
People notice the lack of substance of people like Marjorie Green and her allies who have no interest in their actual jobs.
Most democrats and independents demonstrate at least an interest in the operation of government. That might make them seem more desirable than the right wing candidate who just wants to tear everything down, take away reproductive rights and stick it to the libs.
It wasn't always this way. During the late 70s and the 80s, republicans had political thinkers who held sway in the party and who wrote about their vision of how government was to be operated. Popular right wing commenters now don't do anything of the kind.
People notice the lack of substance of people like Marjorie Green and her allies who have no interest in their actual jobs.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:37 pm to TBoy
Just because most people on here don't watch or listen to the MSM doesn't negate their influence with the rest of the idiots in the country.
The fact is that the left is winning the information war especially when half of the right only focuses on Trump and not the 99% of real problems facing Americans (Inflation, crash of the dollar, high taxes, wokeism, parental rights, freedom of religion).
The fact is that the left is winning the information war especially when half of the right only focuses on Trump and not the 99% of real problems facing Americans (Inflation, crash of the dollar, high taxes, wokeism, parental rights, freedom of religion).
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:48 pm to Fun Bunch
Fearmongering is the #1 reason.
Starting in public schools, the subtle theme is... Democrats good. Republicans evil. Msm, Hollywood, music.. the theme is Democrats good. Republicans evil. That is the environment a lot of people grew up in.
Then when people are old enough to vote.. they hear Democrat politicians playing on that fearmongering and adding to it, claiming that Republicans want to kill all lgbt and black people...and if they don't vote Democrat then they are directly helping Republicans murder lgbt and black people.
A few people fearmongering won't do shite. It needs a foundation that required several years to build.. in order to be effective. Democrats are only harvesting the crops they planted many years ago.
Starting in public schools, the subtle theme is... Democrats good. Republicans evil. Msm, Hollywood, music.. the theme is Democrats good. Republicans evil. That is the environment a lot of people grew up in.
Then when people are old enough to vote.. they hear Democrat politicians playing on that fearmongering and adding to it, claiming that Republicans want to kill all lgbt and black people...and if they don't vote Democrat then they are directly helping Republicans murder lgbt and black people.
A few people fearmongering won't do shite. It needs a foundation that required several years to build.. in order to be effective. Democrats are only harvesting the crops they planted many years ago.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:51 pm to Landmass
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The fact is that the left is winning the information war especially when half of the right only focuses on Trump and not the 99% of real problems facing Americans (Inflation, crash of the dollar, high taxes, wokeism, parental rights, freedom of religion).
I don't disagree with this statement at all. I would, however, take exception to some of the issues you identify. For example, the battle against "wokeism, parental rights, freedom of religion" have been characterized by attempts to use the power of government to prohibit citizens from living the way they want to live.
The latest ridiculous example is proposed legislation to ban people in schools from using gender pronouns except as specifically approved by government. That is about the most oppressive use of central government oppression one can possibly imagine an a country where free speech is supposed to be constitutionally protected.
Another issue is the banning in many states of any medical care or counselling or support services that would provide affirmative care for trannies. Frankly, that ain't none of your or my business.
The present focus of right wing politics on using government to make "liberal ideas" illegal will certainly result in greater losses for right wing candidates.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:54 pm to Fun Bunch
There are 2 big parts.
The first is that as societies become developed, they get more liberal and progressive. It's just in our nature to not stop tinkering and claiming "society is done" and trying to advance things. Now, this progress isn't typically linear. It's a go forward 6 steps, come back 2 steps tug of war with conservatism. But the trend always goes left.
The second is that conservatives and liberals in this country chose institutions decades ago to invest in. Liberals chose much more wisely. While conservatives relied on church, AM radio, suburban enclaves, and corporate-office culture, liberals targeted academia, the news, Hollywood, and now, Big Tech. It should be pretty clear which set of institutions was more impactful.
Conservatives, by the very nature creating the term, tried to conserve a society and its institutions while ignoring how both were changing all around them.
The first is that as societies become developed, they get more liberal and progressive. It's just in our nature to not stop tinkering and claiming "society is done" and trying to advance things. Now, this progress isn't typically linear. It's a go forward 6 steps, come back 2 steps tug of war with conservatism. But the trend always goes left.
The second is that conservatives and liberals in this country chose institutions decades ago to invest in. Liberals chose much more wisely. While conservatives relied on church, AM radio, suburban enclaves, and corporate-office culture, liberals targeted academia, the news, Hollywood, and now, Big Tech. It should be pretty clear which set of institutions was more impactful.
Conservatives, by the very nature creating the term, tried to conserve a society and its institutions while ignoring how both were changing all around them.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:55 pm to STEVED00
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The bigger question is how did the Dems swing so far and the rank and file be ok with it.
Because the other side (us conservatives) are “Nazis.” So, it’s “vote for us, or vote for the Nazis.” Swing voters and moderate left of center Dems fall for it, hold their noses and pull the lever for the D. I’m not buying for two seconds that moderate conservatives are voting for them though.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:57 pm to Fun Bunch
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how this can be so appealing to so many, and how it can be effectively combated.
It’s appealing bc these Leftist politicians & their decisions haven’t HURT voters enough to affect change or break voting habits. There have been grumblings as with Newsome and Gascon’s recall attempts, but that was never going to succeed.
It will be combated when the decisions of these revolutionary politicians HURT Americans badly enough to cross a threshold. Right now, people still buy Starbucks, still go on vacation, still celebrate Christmas…
When it finally HURTS enough, it may be too late to affect change. Especially if there’s a federal police force established in all major cities.
The water is simmering & we are the frog; it’s uncomfortable but we’re not screaming.
Yet.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 2:00 pm to CalDawg
quote:Too much tax inequality. For most “someone else” pays the taxes.
It’s appealing bc these Leftist politicians & their decisions haven’t HURT voters enough to affect change or break voting habits.
Ever notice Leftists howl about unequal income, but never unequal taxation. There’s a reason.
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