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re: People should be more upset with the war powers resolution the house passed yesterday.

Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:14 am to
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68843 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:14 am to
This is the point. Iraq was BS, but at least they had to do a significant amount of lying to get us into it and got Congressional support.
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Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5396 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:17 am to
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Our own intelligence reports said they were not close. Even POTUS himself said we set them back years after Operation Midnight Hammer.
Are you calling POTUS a liar?


I addressed these incorrect talking points earlier in the thread.

Iran is (or at least was) capable of building nuclear weapons in a very short time frame

I'm sure the POTUS will send an apology letter for the misinformation you were given.

quote:

We have more and ours are actual professional troops as well as militias we have trained.
So?


The poster said Iran hadn't invaded any other countries. I stated that their militia are a defacto invasion of several countries. If you want to equate our foreign deployments to Iran's terrorist militia, that's your prerogative. I disagree, but even if were true it's unrelated to what I said.

This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 11:28 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57942 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:19 am to
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I disagree. It's nice to see Congress do their job.


This you?

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57942 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:20 am to
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This is the point. Iraq was BS, but at least they had to do a significant amount of lying to get us into it and got Congressional support.


Iraq was boots on the ground nation building that lasted over a decade.

It's ironic you justify Iraq, but a 2 month military operation that has already ended and NO boots on the ground is your bugaboo. Odd.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5396 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:24 am to
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You don’t think Iran had reached 65% enrichment? I’d love for you to admit that.


Some of these folks don't even research the talking points; just disseminate and repeat them with no thought required. The laughing emoji is the most important part of their supporting arguments.
This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 11:56 am
Posted by laxtonto
Member since Mar 2011
2791 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:37 am to
My guess is that this version will now fail in Senate..

The problem here is that the War Powers Resolutions most likely would not withstand scrutiny by the Supreme Court, and the House and Senate know this. So they ping-pong this back and forth, allowing them to keep up the charade of control.

If, for some reason, they both approved the resolution, it would instantly be appealed to the SC with a high likelihood of losing their weapon for political theater, and more importantly, would lead to a major push by the executive branch to use this new recent precedent of overreach of the legislative branch as a framework for other cases.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
58295 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:41 am to
Why?

Trump has been screwing around since the cease fire began. The gas prices are still high, the Straits of Hormuz are still closed.

You dick around, this is what happens.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68961 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:47 am to
[quote] a 2 month military operation that has already ended


and NO boots on the ground is your bugaboo.

Trump continues to look for a way to get out with some modicum of self- respect...
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5396 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 11:54 am to
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State Dept, National Security Council, Pentagon, Congressional hearings, etc.


If they'd done that back in Febuary, CNN's lead story would've been a leaked detailed strike plan for the entire engagement, including who, what and when targeting details. Until something changes, any real threat to US national security is amplified by threats from within.
This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 11:57 am
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65720 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:01 pm to
So, just a bunch of media PR bullshite.

If that was all accurate, they'd have had nukes by now. We haven't been constantly attacking them since 1995.

It's a grift. Greater Israel is the goal.
This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 12:05 pm
Posted by AC1221
Member since May 2025
158 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:09 pm to
So you're saying that you don't believe the IAEA reports?

And if Greater Israel is the goal, then why have we been in a ceasefire for weeks? Was the ceasefire Bibi's idea?

Wouldn't Bibi make his "puppet" keep laying the hammer down on Iran by continuing to bomb them if Greater Israel is the goal?

Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65720 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:15 pm to
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why have we been in a ceasefire for weeks?
Is that what you call this?
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Bibi make his "puppet"
Just stop right there. Trump is not a puppet. You don't have to be someone's 'puppet' when you are very much on their side and want to help them.

I knew we'd get some Israel shite with Trump, but I didn't expect this level. We double tap bombed a school for these people, among other things. frick them. Let them wage their own war.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5396 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:16 pm to
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So, just a bunch of media PR bullshite


Yep, basically everyone except Blueboy and a few of his NeverTrumper gang.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
78051 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:17 pm to
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I disagree.

Of course you do.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
65720 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:19 pm to
Yep, two weeks away, for 30 years.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102969 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 12:26 pm to
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I disagree. It's nice to see Congress do their job.


They should have done it months ago then.

Doing it now just takes away our leverage and we would have to pull out, end blockade, and Iran would keep the strait closed and keep nuclear program. That would be the absolute worst thing to do
Posted by UFMatt
Proud again to be an American
Member since Oct 2010
13070 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 1:00 pm to
Waste of time and taxpayer money. Not worth the paper it is written on or the time it took debating. Good luck getting 2/3 vote to override the Presidential veto.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38352 posts
Posted on 6/4/26 at 1:08 pm to
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If, for some reason, they both approved the resolution, it would instantly be appealed to the SC


Appealed by whom, from what lower court case, and on what justiciable claim? A bill passing the House and Senate does not automatically create a Supreme Court case.

Are you saying the President would sue Congress? A service member would sue? A defense contractor? A member of Congress? And what exactly would the Court be reviewing, the War Powers Resolution generally, or this specific joint resolution?

Because if the resolution goes through both chambers and presentment, that removes the obvious Chadha problem. The constitutionally suspect part is Congress trying to bind the President without presentment, not Congress passing a law through the normal Article I process.

So what is the actual path you’re envisioning here?

Who sues, where do they sue, what is the injury, and what specific constitutional defect gets it to SCOTUS?
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