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Posted on 6/4/26 at 4:50 pm to supatigah
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this is one of their last pay days before they get flushed out with the rest of the trash
100%
Traitors and whores for money. It's really that simple.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 4:51 pm to wdhalgren
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everyone agrees that it was true this time. Iran was very close to having nukes before Trump acted. Except for blueboy,
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The "weeks away" timeline was frequently cited by Israeli officials and the Trump administration to justify military action. In contrast, US intelligence agencies and academic analysts often argued that Iran had not yet authorized a crash program to weaponize its stockpile
Scientific American: Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say
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Although President Trump has claimed Iran was weeks away from developing a nuclear weapon, much more work was needed for the country to do so
Posted on 6/4/26 at 4:55 pm to loogaroo
How does someone make money with an anti-war message?
Posted on 6/4/26 at 5:11 pm to blueboy
They admit the step from 60% to 90% is very short. They say weeks, other sources, including several I've already quoted in this thread, say on the order of a week. From there, the time to having a nuclear weapon is somewhere from 3 weeks to a few months, depending on how many of the parts Iran has ready to go. China, who has been supplying weapons and war materials to Iran, did it in a month 60 years ago.
Scientific American assumes it will take longer, but offer no evidence. The main part of their argument is that Trump's bombings have degraded Iran's ability to move quickly, which, if true, sounds more like praise than the condemnation they intended. Then they say, "Big claims require big evidence, especially when lives are at stake.” Exactly right. If you're gonna claim they couldn't build a nuke in a few weeks, you need some evidence because many, many lives are at stake.
Scientific American assumes it will take longer, but offer no evidence. The main part of their argument is that Trump's bombings have degraded Iran's ability to move quickly, which, if true, sounds more like praise than the condemnation they intended. Then they say, "Big claims require big evidence, especially when lives are at stake.” Exactly right. If you're gonna claim they couldn't build a nuke in a few weeks, you need some evidence because many, many lives are at stake.
This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 6/4/26 at 5:13 pm to wdhalgren
You said everyone agreed. All I did was post the first couple of search results. SA is not even close to the only one who was saying that, both in 2025 and 2026.
So no, we were a long walk from 'everyone agreed.'
So no, we were a long walk from 'everyone agreed.'
Posted on 6/4/26 at 5:19 pm to blueboy
You posted a scientific American article that made the case that Iran was very close, although Trump's actions have slowed them down. That is the current consensus. Scientific American tried to push the timeline out by saying there was "much work to be done" after fissile material is available. That's true, but it's was work that could be done in somewhere between 3 weeks and a few months because the non-nuclear components can be built in parallel with the production of nuclear weapons fuel. This means that they don’t require additional time. The time frame to to assembly can be very short, especially with any technical assistance from China, which could've happened at any time in the past,
I'm glad you agree Trump's actions in Iran have already been successful in preventing Iran from rapidly acquiring nuclear weapons, for now. That was definitely the case before last summer, maybe still was until Epic Fury further degraded their abilities. There's still work to be done.
I'm glad you agree Trump's actions in Iran have already been successful in preventing Iran from rapidly acquiring nuclear weapons, for now. That was definitely the case before last summer, maybe still was until Epic Fury further degraded their abilities. There's still work to be done.
This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 6/4/26 at 5:21 pm to loogaroo
I'm upset when I am not upset
Posted on 6/4/26 at 5:44 pm to wdhalgren
quote:I posted the AI summary and a quote from one article. Again, that's FAR from the only result. So no, 'everyone' didn't agree.
You posted a scientific American article
quote:Stop. That's just sad.
I'm glad you agree
Posted on 6/4/26 at 5:58 pm to blueboy
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Stop. That's just sad.
I've you don't agree you should read the article more carefully. They were clearly trying to suggest it coud take "up to a year", but that's accounting for the damage Trump has inflicted to their capabilities. Hardly an indictment of the reasons for what's been done. They tried to "disagree" with Trump's original timeframe analysis, but they could only do it by ignoring that Trump's subsequent actions were what lengthened the timeline.
Also, they take great liberties with their logic. For example, they stoop to the level of misinterpreting sources, like last year's intelligence threat assessment. It absolutely does not say that Iran was "nowhere close to a nuclear bomb. What it said was that Iran was not currently "building a weapon", which does not mean they couldn't produce one in a matter of weeks, maybe months, because they could. The non-nuclear components could have been and likely were acquired or manufactured in advance.
This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 6/4/26 at 6:02 pm to wdhalgren
quote:Trump said he totally wiped out their capabilities.
but that's accounting for the damage Trump has inflicted to their capabilities
You're just making assumptions and calling it fact anyway. Either way, the claim that Iran could potentially nuke the US is preposterous, so it's Israel's war. Let them fight it.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 6:12 pm to blueboy
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Trump said he totally wiped out their capabilities.
Of course he did. He said it every few weeks, starting almost immediately after Midnight Hammer was complete, and continuing right up until Mid Febuary, as we were implementing the biggest military deployment in decades. The US and Israel had started planning and coordinating the massive operation Epic Fury months earlier.
Here's a timeline from CNN. They seemingly have no clue why a US president would make this misleading claim repeatedly while we were in the prolonged planning stage of a major attack. Apparently the folks at Scientific American can't figure it out either. Or maybe both did and didn't want to give Trump any credit for his subterfuge. Notice the emphasis on "STOP THE WAR!". But of course it was just paused.
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“Iran’s key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated,” (June 21)
“It was my great honor to Destroy All Nuclear facilities & capability, and then, STOP THE WAR!” (June 24)
“It knocked out their entire potential nuclear capacity.” (July 16)
“It’s been obliterated.” (July 31)
“We obliterated … the future nuclear capability of Iran.” (August 18)
“But I also obliterated Iran’s nuclear hopes, by totally annihilating their enriched uranium.” (September 20)
“Well, they don’t have a nuclear program. It was obliterated.” (October 13)
“… completely obliterated Iran’s nuclear capability.” (November 11)
“It was called Iran and its nuclear capability, and we obliterated that very quickly and strongly and powerfully.” (November 19)
“We obliterated their nuclear capability.” (December 11)
“We knocked out the Iran nuclear threat, and it was obliterated.” (January 8)
“… obliterated Iran’s nuclear enrichment capability.” (January 20)
“… achieving total obliteration of the Iran nuclear potential capability — totally obliterated.” (February 13)
Trump clearly was not being honest with Iran about what we knew at any point during that time when we were designing and implementing a massive military operation to further prolong their nuclear timeline. The 2025 strikes were to disable their ability to build a bomb quickly. The 2026 strikes were to hit a wider range of targets and degrade their capabilities for a longer period. Everything Trump said during the interim was designed to mislead the enemy into thinking we were done. I think there's more to come in some form or another.
This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 6/12/26 at 8:46 am to ColoradoAg
That one goes to the Supreme Court. The only thing can do is defund dollars to fund the action. They are in power to declare war. However military action in itself is under the direction of the President.
This vote will never get 60 votes in the Senate.
This vote will never get 60 votes in the Senate.
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