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re: Nunes: Formal, foreign surveillance was used on Trump; Obama admin surveilled associates
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:52 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:52 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:He also said he can't confirm that all / any of the new reports were phone conversations.
Nunes specifically said it was after the election....
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:52 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:
Link? And not a second or third hand tweet.
try the one in the OP perhaps
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:52 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
He also said he can't confirm that all / any of the new reports were phone conversations.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:53 pm to AuburnTigers
quote:
no one is downplaying that. Could be bad for Trump, could be a nothing burger. Either way, he was being surveilled by the Obama administration
No he did not. Go watch the video of his presser. It's easy to find. He said it was incidental, being that it occurred when others were being surveilled. He clarified twice that it was incidental collection.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:53 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
In sum though, Nunes isn't saying anything specific, so who knows if this is something of note or not.
He just muddied the waters a little more to allow everyone to support their preferred interpretation of what's going on.
Comments in this thread support this.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:53 pm to gthog61
quote:
Sounds like wiretapping in quotes to me
Not according to CNN:
quote:
Also at that hearing, Comey said he had seen no evidence so far of the specific allegation of wiretapping Trump Tower.
RELATED: Actually, Mr. President, wiretapping doesn't cover a lot of things
This is actually something CNN embedded in the middle of their story to clarify CNN's own narrative.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:54 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:
They targeted people with the IRS because of politics.
They created a ridiculius fake narrative around the Bengahzi attack to hide their foreign policy failure.
Obama was emboldened by the belief that all his shady dealing would be covered up with a Swillary win. Little did he know that his chickens would come to roost with a Trump victory. Obama was a crook, traitor, liar and a puppet of George Soros. All his secrets will come to light over the next 4 years.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:55 pm to joshnorris14
Liberals in this thread are breaking their backs trying to twist
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:55 pm to Iosh
quote:
Nunes squirting ink at the press doesn't change that.
It's really hard for me to see this as anything but a publicity stunt designed to provide political cover for Trump et al. Incidental collection of people who talk to foreigners who may be under surveillance is Captain Obvious-level stuff, especially if these persons are involved in an incoming administration.
If I was Nunes I'd be careful about briefing anything to the President or his staff. I don't have to think to hard to imagine scenarios where obstruction of justice could be implicated.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:55 pm to joshnorris14
interesting that he held this PC with out the ranking Dem.
Nothing of great significance was revealed, so I am curious what the motivation was to hold this presser, and for whom the message was intended.
Nothing of great significance was revealed, so I am curious what the motivation was to hold this presser, and for whom the message was intended.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:55 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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No he did not. Go watch the video of his presser. He said it was incidental, being that it occurred when others were being surveilled. He clarified twice that it was incidental collection
Sigh. It's done that way on purpose. This is how O spied on nethanyahu. They are supposed to destroy the Intel collected incidentally, but they didnt. In Flynn's case they transcribed it and then leaked it to the press. A felony crime.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:55 pm to Paluka
I agree with you.
Regardless of what we find out, there is probably truth to the idea that media will call Trump a liar unless it is conclusively shown that Obama ordered something akin to a wiretap on Trump personally.
And yet, regardless of what comes out, Trump will be hailed the victor by supporters even if there is no evidence of Trump/TT being wiretapped in any normal use of the term.
Regardless of what we find out, there is probably truth to the idea that media will call Trump a liar unless it is conclusively shown that Obama ordered something akin to a wiretap on Trump personally.
And yet, regardless of what comes out, Trump will be hailed the victor by supporters even if there is no evidence of Trump/TT being wiretapped in any normal use of the term.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:56 pm to joshnorris14
2m
The Associated Press? @AP
BREAKING: White House: House intel chair Nunes to brief Trump Wednesday on possible monitoring of Trump associates
The Associated Press? @AP
BREAKING: White House: House intel chair Nunes to brief Trump Wednesday on possible monitoring of Trump associates
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:57 pm to texag7
quote:
Liberals in this thread are breaking their backs trying to twist
Conservatives in this thread are breaking their backs trying to twist what he said. Go watch the video. He said it was incidental collection at least three or four times .
EDT: make that at least five times.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:57 pm to HappyTownTiger
quote:Yes, and FISA allows for surveillance of US persons if they are agents of a foreign power, which is defined in the law. However, FISA requires that you have a court order in those cases.
I think you're wrong.
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Agency
For instance, a US person can be a foreign power if they
1) knowingly engage in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for a foreign
power which activities constitute a violation of U.S. criminal statutes;
2) knowingly engage in sabotage or international terrorism, or activities in
reparation therefore, on behalf of a foreign power.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:58 pm to roadGator
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I'm sure no one in the Obama admin shared this intel just like I'm sure a fat person in a room full of cakes doesn't eat one while no one is looking.
The one that I keep going back to is on Obama's way out, WHY THE EXECUTIVE ORDER MAKING IT EASIER TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION?
That's the kicker; I can't get straight. Was this his fall back plan if compromised?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:58 pm to Decatur
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Incidental collection of people who talk to foreigners who may be under surveillance is Captain Obvious-level stuff, especially if these persons are involved in an incoming administration.
this has always been the most logical explanation from the beginning if you could read between the lines
what Nunes said just supports this
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:59 pm to Errerrerrwere
He also pretty much said that this information was leaked to him. We love our leakers today, now don't we? Lmao
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:02 pm to Hog on the Hill
Another thread about this full of stupid. Half you are merely partisan trolls who don't know or care about what actually happened.
what a fricking coincidence that several members of the Trump campaign were collected as incidentals in wiretaping done on other people eh? I mean rule number one in investigations is that there is no such thing as a coincidence.
what a fricking coincidence that several members of the Trump campaign were collected as incidentals in wiretaping done on other people eh? I mean rule number one in investigations is that there is no such thing as a coincidence.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:03 pm to gthog61
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Leaking flynn's name is a felony Why are they listening to the Australian pm's phone? The whole Russians bs is a dishonest farce
Oh, it much worse than a "farce", gt. It's frickin' ESPIONAGE re the Trump Administration.
The only reason that this stuff is not buried like IRS/Lerner, Fast n Furious, Benghazi, the jailing of D'Souza and attempted jailing of James Rosen, and God only knows how much money out the back door...is because Trump now runs the DOJ and corrupt Obama 'Deep State' Operatives CAN'T deep six it.
Trump will smile and hang this dead buzzard around Obama's neck at every rally, with wildly cheering crowds for the next 8 years. Obama has his 'legacy'. Well earned.
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