- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Nunes: Formal, foreign surveillance was used on Trump; Obama admin surveilled associates
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:03 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:03 pm to LSUTANGERINE
If there is no intent to spy on Trump or Trump's people, then why is incidentally captured info being transcribed and leaked to the media when by law it is supposed to be destroyed immediately?
3
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:03 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:
incidental collection
If someone were going to spy on the opposing party what do you think would be their final safe guard to cover their actions?
The instance in which they incidentally collected information and the amount they collected will point to how "incidental" this could have possibly been.
Someone would have to be incredibly naive or a complete democrat hack to not be extremely troubled by this instance of "incidental" collection.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:03 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:
He also pretty much said that this information was leaked to him. We love our leakers today, now don't we? Lmao
LOL No he didn't , he's the ranking member of the Senate Intel commmittee. He has the proper clearances to see that intel. Providing it to him isnt leaking .
Jesus.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:04 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:Let's roll back the tapes. What Nunes said today does not support what you said earlier in this thread. Can you argue otherwise or are you going to keep deflecting?
Another thread about this full of stupid. Half you are merely partisan trolls who don't know or care about what actually happened.
what a fricking coincidence that several members of the Trump campaign were collected as incidentals in wiretaping done on other people eh? I mean rule number one in investigations is that there is no such thing as a coincidence.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:04 pm to Salmon
quote:
Incidental collection of people who talk to foreigners who may be under surveillance is Captain Obvious-level stuff, especially if these persons are involved in an incoming administration.
this has always been the most logical explanation from the beginning if you could read between the lines
what Nunes said just supports this
From what I understood is that they were widely disseminated with the citizens name unmasked.
That is spying on a citizen. You can try and twist it but its not "incidental collection" at that point.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:05 pm to joshnorris14
quote:
Nunes said information was provided to him by an unnamed source; was 'formal, foreign surveillance,' believes all was legal
In order for the surveillance to be legal the decision to investigate couldn't have come from Obama. The FBI also must have gotten a warrant which requires legally obtaining enough evidence to establish probable cause.
This is terrible for Trump
ETA: my bad, this was completely incidental collection of information. So a warrant wasn't necessary if Americans weren't the targets of the investigation.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:05 pm to joshnorris14
Do you think Nunes bothered to look over the White House's talking points before reading them on the air or did he just wing it?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:06 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:
If there is no intent to spy on Trump or Trump's people, then why is incidentally captured info being transcribed and leaked to the media when by law it is supposed to be destroyed immediately?
This is the bigger point they didn't focus on enough the other day.
They talked about the constant purge of data, but it wasn't getting purged in a politically advantageous situation.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:06 pm to Hog on the Hill
Wait...am I reading the responses correctly. For weeks we hear "Trump needs to release the FISA warrant and all of this can go away". Now that there is confirmation a FISA warrant was issued the response is "we've known about this for a month. The FISA warrant isn't anything new"?
No shame.
No shame.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:06 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:
Sigh. It's done that way on purpose. This is how O spied on nethanyahu, AP News, James Rosen, Dianne Feinstein and Congress, CBS reporter Sharyl Atkisson. They are supposed to destroy the Intel collected incidentally, but they didnt. In Flynn's case they transcribed it and then leaked it to the press. A felony crime.
FIFY and in Flynn's case because Obama ordered 16 low tier agencies classified intel. Where it was suppose to say, American citizen 1, it was illegally unredacted with Flynns' and God know who elses names. Communication with any POTUS and foreign leaders is classified, period. It is a felony to leak these documents and transcripts.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:08 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:
If there is no intent to spy on Trump or Trump's people, then why is incidentally captured info being transcribed and leaked to the media when by law it is supposed to be destroyed immediately?
Nunes was on Trump's transition team and is in on it. This is deflection to get some heat off of them.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:08 pm to VOLhalla
quote:
In order for the surveillance to be legal the decision to investigate couldn't have come from Obama. The FBI also must have gotten a warrant which requires legally obtaining enough evidence to establish probable cause.
This is terrible for Trump
We have rogue judges legislating from the bench all the time. It may have legally occurred, but it doesn't mean it was right.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:09 pm to The Spleen
quote:
This is deflection to get some heat off of them.
Link?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:10 pm to The Spleen
This is better. Now that there is confirmation of a FISA warrant...denying that happened wasn't working. New strategy: Nunes is lying for trump.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:10 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:
Let's roll back the tapes. What Nunes said today does not support what you said earlier in this thread. Can you argue otherwise or are you going to keep deflecting?
Be specific, what did I state earlier in the thread that you think isn't supported by what Nunes said today?
Let me tell you. I was in on this game before I retired. It's VERY easy to manipulate a warrant to get phone calls and such which are at best tangential to the case you are actually working on. Judges allow some fishing to go on.
That probably goes double or a hundred fold when you are asking on behalf of the President of the US.
Having lived in this world and knowing how DC works, I find it very likely that the incidental part of this was purposely done for plausible deniability , and nothing more.
I also suspect that nearly every one on this board who is screaming "Trump is a liar" would hold the opposite opinion had it been a Republican President caught spying on a Dem President Elect.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:10 pm to BBONDS25
This couldn't be more of a cluster frick.
Reeks of desperation.
Reeks of desperation.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:11 pm to The Spleen
quote:
This is deflection to get some heat off of them.
Heat from what?
Baseless accusations of Russian hacking? The "controversial" (but not really) Gorsuch nomination? Trump's support for healthcare repeal? His demand for more border security?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:11 pm to joshnorris14
BUT MUH RUSSIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:11 pm to The Spleen
quote:
Nunes was on Trump's transition team and is in on it. This is deflection to get some heat off of them.
never give up!
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:11 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
Wait...am I reading the responses correctly. For weeks we hear "Trump needs to release the FISA warrant and all of this can go away". Now that there is confirmation a FISA warrant was issued the response is "we've known about this for a month. The FISA warrant isn't anything new"?
No shame.
ABC News got them their talking points out quickly this morning saying some Russian grand poo bah was wiretapped NOT Trump. Because docs can prove Trump Tower was surveilled.
The ABC News thread this morning has Common sense prevailing that a bombshell was coming they had to cover for.
Page 6 of 13
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News