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re: No one, including Trump, is going to “break up the deep state”
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:23 am to td01241
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:23 am to td01241
quote:You didn't realize this even before Trump was elected? When one can make a 40 year career out of government employment there will always be self-serving interests agreed upon by hundreds and thousands.
No one, including Trump, is going to “break up the deep state”
quote:Neither will happen. Role play fantasies are not reality.
As I see it we are radically approaching two outcomes a peaceful one where a convention of states takes place (this is already much much further underway than most even know) or a violent one that takes the shape of civil war or coup
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:26 am to td01241
So you are making it clear to the RonBot cult that he wont be saving the day if he got voted in?
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:28 am to cajunangelle
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There are DeSantis supporters espousing democrats on twitter
They're probably not DeSantis supporters if they're democrats, they just want to see Trump lose. It's not complicated.
And even if you insist they are, we have at least one Trump supporter here who's a legit skinhead; I don't view that as a reflection on other Trump supporters. Do better.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:29 am to SDVTiger
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So you are making it clear to the RonBot cult
I thought you had a 50 point lead?
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
What does that have to do with anything?
Just so we have you on record if Ron won Prez he would break it up?
Just so we have you on record if Ron won Prez he would break it up?
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:31 am to td01241
People act like the concept or the "deep state" is anything new. It's simply a rebranding of governmental bureaucracy. In every bloated empire you have administrative apparatus that keeps the whole system functioning. The fix is and always was less government, which no one (even Trump) is riding into DC proclaiming anymore and hasn't since the 1930s. Hoover was the last small government president, that should tell you all you need to know.
So the fact that people want to undo the deep state is irrelevant because no one is willing to live without at least one modern governmental service. This doesn't get fixed without a deep rooted, ideological and bloody revolution.
So the fact that people want to undo the deep state is irrelevant because no one is willing to live without at least one modern governmental service. This doesn't get fixed without a deep rooted, ideological and bloody revolution.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 8:35 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:33 am to td01241
The nature of our problem …

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Former FBI Director James Comey openly admitted to Congress on March 20, 2017, how the FBI, FBI Counterintelligence Division, Main Justice & DOJ-National Security Division, together with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) and the CIA, had been conducting independent investigations of Donald Trump for approximately a year without informing Congress [Gang of Eight].
When asked why, Comey winced, then justified the lack of informing Go8 oversight by saying, “um, because of the sensitivity of the matter?” Stupidly, Congress never pressed James Comey on that issue.
The arrogance of Comey was astounding, and the acceptance by Congress was infuriating. However, that specific example highlighted just how politically corrupt the system had become. In essence, Team Obama usurped the entire design of congressional oversight…. and Congress just brushed it off. This event, and everything in the background as outlined within the James Comey admission, factually happened. It is on the record, admitted and nothing about the reality of what took place is subject to conjecture or refute.
Yet somehow, we, specifically our Congress, just moved on as if what FBI Director James Comey outlined and admitted wasn’t a total usurpation of the U.S. Constitution and a collapse in the structure of our coequal branches of government.
We cannot fight our way through the issues until we first realize what lies at the root of the problem.

Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:40 am to td01241
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As I see it we are radically approaching two outcomes a peaceful one where a convention of states takes place (this is already much much further underway than most even know) or a violent one that takes the shape of civil war or coup.
"Won't and can't" is correct, td. Our Nation/Federal Government is built on States, and the States are built on Counties/Parishes and the Parishes are built on Cities and Communities. Via voting, but only IF voting elects Leaders which truly reflect the ideas of the populous therein. If that pyramid of agreement collapses, it all goes back to the Communities. And the 'war lord' version of governance; the 'war lord' of particular communities reflecting the raw power and values of the people who live there.
If either the Leaders cease to reflect the ideas of the true (no fraud) electorate, or if the ideas of a majority of the electorate are intolerably offensive to the (supposed) minority via "mob rule"...then your 'civil war' scenario ensues...IF the minority thinks it worth the pain.
The power of Government is based on and tolerated by the good that Government may do, and as the current 'good' that Government does is based on 'printed money' and most people (voters) who have come to depend on that printed money for life sustaining services, well, there is the ultimate "break up" of the Deep State (Government Bureaucracy which disperses the printed money). If either the Printed Money or the Bureaucracy goes down, it's dog eat dog anarchy, with many desperate and sociopathic individuals loosed upon society. The reaction to that by those who have love for their lives and family is where the "something will inevitably rise to replace it" happens. Always an ugly process.
This said, the Transnational Progressive strategy is to collapse the USD and the Constitutional Republic in order to "fundamentally change" society. 'They' (it's a Secular Humanist Idea) believe that the Earth is overpopulated and don't care about the lives (not Religious-based 'Souls') that will be lost in the process. Most wars assume loss, but take it for the greater good.
This is ultimately a Spiritual war, I.e. "war in Heaven and on Earth". Life itself is likely ultimately Subjective, re one's ultimate Spiritual Value, such being Love of God or love of Lucifer's 'Idea' of worshiping Self on a par with God. The TransHumanists don't worship God, they want and likely will be 'god' via the Singularity which will consume them. "I will take the wise in their own craftiness". This whole scenario is/will be a blink of the eye in regard to eternity, but it will be definitive re one's personal choice. To each their own.
For me, it's thank you Jesus!
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:40 am to td01241
Meh. You are complaining about a nebulous term which essentially gets defined as "people who make money from the government."
Sometimes it's just corrupt politicians, but usually ends up meaning civil service employees too. Plus all lobbyists.
Yea, you are never going to stop that.
Sometimes it's just corrupt politicians, but usually ends up meaning civil service employees too. Plus all lobbyists.
Yea, you are never going to stop that.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:45 am to td01241
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I don’t mean no one has the desire. I mean they literally won’t and can’t. As I see it we are radically approaching two outcomes a peaceful one where a convention of states takes place (this is already much much further underway than most even know) or a violent one that takes the shape of civil war or coup. Only one thing is dead certain. The neo liberal political era that kicked in a few years following WW2 is dead just going through it’s death throes. Something will inevitably rise to replace it
It appears an increasing number of Americans are now validating Alex Jones' prediction over 20 years ago that the US would face another civil war based on one side wanting a sovereign and free constitutional republic and the other side willing to throw in with some quasi socialist world government where sovereign nations no longer exist.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:49 am to td01241
Sadly you're prob right. Trump exposed them but couldn't bring them down. Keep chipping away I say.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:01 am to td01241
The only guy with a real plan who has had success on a smaller scale is DeSantis but you guys don't want to hear that. You would rather hear Vivek say "I'll just fire half the government Day 1!" or have have Trump give some vague slogan while buddying up to any Swamp Creature he can find.
DeSantis actually has a plan he has been working on for years. It's comprehensive and realistic and he has collaborated with the smartest minds in conservatism. He's already identified a good number of people to put into the roles we need.
I think it's far more important we come up with some stupid conspiracy about boot heels though.
DeSantis actually has a plan he has been working on for years. It's comprehensive and realistic and he has collaborated with the smartest minds in conservatism. He's already identified a good number of people to put into the roles we need.
I think it's far more important we come up with some stupid conspiracy about boot heels though.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:01 am to SDVTiger
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Just so we have you on record if Ron won Prez he would break it up?
One thing we know as a fact. Trump in four years as POTUS never tried to tackle the Deep State. Indeed he took their advice on who to hire often. Trump never went after the major departments of DC or their top leadership. Never even tried. This we know.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 10:38 am to ronricks
Ask yourself this would things be revealed and unfold like we are seeing occur if Trump hadn’t “appointed these morons”?
Posted on 11/14/23 at 10:39 am to goatmilker
This a really great deflection 
Posted on 11/14/23 at 10:42 am to td01241
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Almost all states actually have it “tabled” or in committees to some varying degrees these include NY and Cali which obviously would never pass it. But ya know what Biden might just make Az NM pass it, Portland might eventually force enough right learners to vote in a conservative state gov and Oregon pass it
If trump gets back in, you'll have the lefty states wanting it.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 10:45 am to td01241
Ok cool. So you can elect the people most likely to break up the deep state, even if you don’t have faith they can pull it off, or you can stfu.
Be part of the solution or you’re part of the problem.
Be part of the solution or you’re part of the problem.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 10:49 am to td01241
Just look at the lengths they are going through to get him, his family, anyone in his circle, and even people that voted for him.
Anyone else would have caved in year 1.. He is on year 8 hanging on by a thread.
Anyone else would have caved in year 1.. He is on year 8 hanging on by a thread.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 10:50 am to bayouvette
the only way to kill the "Deep State" is with shrinking finances.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 10:52 am to td01241
we can start with turning over citizen's United.
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