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No one, including Trump, is going to “break up the deep state”
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:05 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:05 am
I don’t mean no one has the desire. I mean they literally won’t and can’t. As I see it we are radically approaching two outcomes a peaceful one where a convention of states takes place (this is already much much further underway than most even know) or a violent one that takes the shape of civil war or coup.
Only one thing is dead certain. The neo liberal political era that kicked in a few years following WW2 is dead just going through it’s death throes. Something will inevitably rise to replace it
Only one thing is dead certain. The neo liberal political era that kicked in a few years following WW2 is dead just going through it’s death throes. Something will inevitably rise to replace it
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 5:08 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:17 am to td01241
Unfortunately this is correct
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:22 am to Wtodd
I believe the current count of states having passed a convention resolution is 24. Meaning I think 9-10 more are need
Almost all states actually have it “tabled” or in committees to some varying degrees these include NY and Cali which obviously would never pass it. But ya know what Biden might just make Az NM pass it, Portland might eventually force enough right learners to vote in a conservative state gov and Oregon pass it
Almost all states actually have it “tabled” or in committees to some varying degrees these include NY and Cali which obviously would never pass it. But ya know what Biden might just make Az NM pass it, Portland might eventually force enough right learners to vote in a conservative state gov and Oregon pass it
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 6:00 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:27 am to td01241
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No one, including Trump, is going to “break up the deep state”
Oh it'll happen but this country ain't ready just yet.
Still a lot of suffering to go through before we get to that bridge.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:36 am to td01241
The pattern is that it will eventually collapse under its own weight.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:49 am to td01241
It would certainly take more than 4 years to clean things up in DC. The big money influence(lobbyist), corrupt intelligence agencies, and weaponization of alphabet agencies is one HUGE mountain of shite to clean up. We need a "coalition" of America first type folks in DC to push back and gain momentum going forward, working together publicly and behind the scenes, to at least get us pointed in the right direction. Perhaps if people see the above begin to happen it would ease some frustrations and hopefully avoid us taking matters into our own hands. I'm feeling hopeful this morning. Lol
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:49 am to TrueTiger
That is happening as we speak. I referred to it as it death throes in the OP. If you think it will just somehow magically end there and they’ll all go away happily give up their grip on power they have had since the 40s you need to recalibrate
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:51 am to lake chuck fan
None of what you are proposing will ever happen or at this point could even be allowed to. Read the book the leviathan and you’ll understand why. It must be a convention of states because then the feds have 0 yes absolutely no input or power to affect what they do.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:52 am to lake chuck fan
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It would certainly take more than 4 years to clean things up in DC.
Cancer, you gotta cut it all out or it will keep coming back. Not sure how you do that because we’ll always have a remnant up there. I think things are gonna have to reset after a collapse and that’s the only way.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:57 am to BigMob
Again, that can be avoided with a proper convention of states. Alter the constitution where needed which isn’t that much but 100% remove the 17th. Make many many many new amendments all very short and very clear with a singular purpose each. I.e no one may hold house for longer than 12 or senate than 12 or whatever you want. Put one each for all of their bs long March shite that has exploded. One makes queer theory outside of limited higher Ed settings illegal, make communism illegal in another, remove disparate impact theory in another, make one each for every degenerate thing. Hell go as far as you need to wipe out their poison. Remove the mixed markets neo liberals put us in and return us to a true free market. Etc etc
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:58 am to td01241
There is a start and an end for everything. Unfortunately, it will be this country as we know it. The next generations will not know it as they are indoctrinated on being ok with the uniparty.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:00 am to johnnyrocket
I don’t agree this MUST be the end. The convention of states was quite literally made for this exact single purpose. Why disregard it?
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:02 am to td01241

This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 6:03 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:03 am to td01241
The deep state can be broken up the question is how far do we let them go or at what point is the breaking point. It’s really not up to them
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:05 am to td01241
If a convention of states had something meaningful with regard to change, and it was ignored by DC, there would likely be some violence and outright resistance by many states. It could lead to revolt or civil war.
To prevent that, it would behoove DC to bend to change brought about by a new leader. The inevitable outcome of a revolt or civil war is that DC goes underground to the bunkers and the People simply subdue those loyal to the existing government and institute a new government while the old government is effectively in exile.
The military would eventually become involved and most likely there would be widespread mutiny. While the Pentagon sided with DC, the rank and file would likely displace senior leadership outside of DC and take control of the planes, tanks etc. A new government would be erected in another place, DC isolated and ignored and eventually the government in DC either surrenders and vacates or they would be waited out and then detained and officially removed by proclamation of some sort.
Some blue states would side with DC but once the military got involved I suspect they would stand down as "losing" would mean they go back to the Constitution which is the best document ever written so it's not exactly a bad deal for them.
There are some ways to bring about a constitutional crisis that could make this change take place, without the nation getting into a revolt. The Congress is outside the boundaries of the Constitution in many ways and a President could order them detained or nullify their actions via EO since they are in violation of the Constitution. If you read Article I you'll see that our monetary policy is not constitutional, we don't get a proper accounting of spending from Congress (slush fund is an example), they pass legislation without debate which defies the entire purpose of a representative government, they operate with fiat currency, they have "non-voting" members such as a representative from DC which violates the Constitution and so forth.
A President can declare all actions of each Congress in violation of the Constitution to be void and call for new national elections and institute a plan to bring the nation back under the Constitution. DC would revolt and in some places (deep blue areas) you would see some protests and violence, a President could stand his ground on these issues and force the crisis to unfold. It would likely make the red and purple areas draw a line in the sand, declaring that wholesale change must take place. DC then has a choice - stand down or take the nation down the rabbit hole of civil war. If they choose civil war, I just don't think it works out like they think it would and I believe they would realize that after a short time. Too many people are fed up with DC. Once that ball gets rolling, it's not likely to stop.
If we maintain the status quo then I think the government goes full authoritarian, we get a revolt, it's violent and it's really awful for all of us. I am deeply concerned about this and want to prevent this from happening. We simply must get it right in 2024, and it must be overwhelming and a clear mandate from the masses.
To prevent that, it would behoove DC to bend to change brought about by a new leader. The inevitable outcome of a revolt or civil war is that DC goes underground to the bunkers and the People simply subdue those loyal to the existing government and institute a new government while the old government is effectively in exile.
The military would eventually become involved and most likely there would be widespread mutiny. While the Pentagon sided with DC, the rank and file would likely displace senior leadership outside of DC and take control of the planes, tanks etc. A new government would be erected in another place, DC isolated and ignored and eventually the government in DC either surrenders and vacates or they would be waited out and then detained and officially removed by proclamation of some sort.
Some blue states would side with DC but once the military got involved I suspect they would stand down as "losing" would mean they go back to the Constitution which is the best document ever written so it's not exactly a bad deal for them.
There are some ways to bring about a constitutional crisis that could make this change take place, without the nation getting into a revolt. The Congress is outside the boundaries of the Constitution in many ways and a President could order them detained or nullify their actions via EO since they are in violation of the Constitution. If you read Article I you'll see that our monetary policy is not constitutional, we don't get a proper accounting of spending from Congress (slush fund is an example), they pass legislation without debate which defies the entire purpose of a representative government, they operate with fiat currency, they have "non-voting" members such as a representative from DC which violates the Constitution and so forth.
A President can declare all actions of each Congress in violation of the Constitution to be void and call for new national elections and institute a plan to bring the nation back under the Constitution. DC would revolt and in some places (deep blue areas) you would see some protests and violence, a President could stand his ground on these issues and force the crisis to unfold. It would likely make the red and purple areas draw a line in the sand, declaring that wholesale change must take place. DC then has a choice - stand down or take the nation down the rabbit hole of civil war. If they choose civil war, I just don't think it works out like they think it would and I believe they would realize that after a short time. Too many people are fed up with DC. Once that ball gets rolling, it's not likely to stop.
If we maintain the status quo then I think the government goes full authoritarian, we get a revolt, it's violent and it's really awful for all of us. I am deeply concerned about this and want to prevent this from happening. We simply must get it right in 2024, and it must be overwhelming and a clear mandate from the masses.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:08 am to td01241
We aren't in ordinary times. We aren't having a normal political primary.
Now that the curtain has been pulled back it is ugly as sin.
There are DeSantis supporters espousing democrats on twitter, trending the hashtag wrongTrump, when Trumps sister the Judge MaryAnne died. They are wishing death (as some ronbots have done here) on Trump so their guy can reign tall in his liftboots.
We have a huge majority that clearly see we have been fooled for at least 50 years. We have never chosen the President. The shadow govt does.
Some want to pull the curtain back to unsee it all. Is it because it is too ugly or is it because they like it?
If Trump were to be JFKed, some are so full of hate that they would prop up a man with lifts in his boots or a wretched nasty woman that is Romney & Dick Cheney in high-heels.
Why do NeverTrumpers like the green new deal we are currently living in, in this horrid economy? Why don't people not want to make America great w/o attacks from the Chinese Communist Party?
Now that the curtain has been pulled back it is ugly as sin.
There are DeSantis supporters espousing democrats on twitter, trending the hashtag wrongTrump, when Trumps sister the Judge MaryAnne died. They are wishing death (as some ronbots have done here) on Trump so their guy can reign tall in his liftboots.
We have a huge majority that clearly see we have been fooled for at least 50 years. We have never chosen the President. The shadow govt does.
Some want to pull the curtain back to unsee it all. Is it because it is too ugly or is it because they like it?
If Trump were to be JFKed, some are so full of hate that they would prop up a man with lifts in his boots or a wretched nasty woman that is Romney & Dick Cheney in high-heels.
Why do NeverTrumpers like the green new deal we are currently living in, in this horrid economy? Why don't people not want to make America great w/o attacks from the Chinese Communist Party?
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 6:10 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:12 am to burke985
No. They really can’t. At least not by how you’re thinking meaning executive action etc. but keep day dreaming.
You have two futures or ways out
State governments take control and right the ship
Massive war
You have two futures or ways out
State governments take control and right the ship
Massive war
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:13 am to td01241
It's going to take a massive economic collapse worse than the Great Depression to break up the deep state. ALOT of people would need to feel ALOT of pain.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:14 am to cajunangelle
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cajunangelle
Not one mention of the democrats or the left in yet another fever dream rant from you. If people like you are leading this revolution, we’ve already lost.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:22 am to td01241
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One makes queer theory outside of limited higher Ed settings illegal, make communism illegal in another, remove disparate impact theory in another, make one each for every degenerate thing. Hell go as far as you need to wipe out their poison.
Yes, because a constitutional amendment prohibiting something will definitely work, as the 18th Amendment certainly did.
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