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re: No one, including Trump, is going to “break up the deep state”

Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:26 am to
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:26 am to
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violent one that takes the shape of civil war or coup.



Folks in general are too comfortable to stay informed and pay attention to what is going on in the world right now... We are a long way away from a significant portion of the populace suffering enough to resort to any type of civil war / coup...
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:33 am to
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If you think it will just somehow magically end there and they’ll all go away happily give up their grip on power they have had since the 40s you need to recalibrate



No doubt. The collapse with be an ugly and deadly affair.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:47 am to
I vote for violence, it’s the only way to
Truly end it!
Posted by BigMob
Georgia
Member since Oct 2021
7625 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:03 am to
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Again, that can be avoided with a proper convention of states


I understand. But I think we collapse before we hit enough states to agree to a convention. List the states on board, now. List the most likely 9 or 10 that are apt to get on board. It gets really hard articulating the final 5 or so.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:08 am to
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I vote for violence


We should prepare for violence but we should not call for it.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167060 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:24 am to
The democrats are indeed the number one enemy but don't pretend they havent joined with the republicans. They tote the line in votes for the democrats.

I indeed mentioned the democrats and how it is difficult to tell between democrats and DeSantis supporters wishing for Trump's death on twitter.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:25 am to
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If you think it will just somehow magically end there and they’ll all go away happily give up their grip on power they have had since the 40s you need to recalibrate
or is it from the Bolshevik revolution of 1910s and 1920s with the same people running the deep state that created this lying monstrosity...

..of course that places its beginning at the life of Marx and the seeds of Zionism
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298816 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:30 am to
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..of course that places its beginning at the life of Marx and the seeds of Zionism


The Marxists arent supporting Israel.

Look around, man.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:33 am to
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The Marxists arent supporting Israel.

Look around, man.


YOU look around - this conversation is about the deep state and their actions since forming during WW2

with plenty of elaborate deception schemes

It could even be said that the marxists BECAME Israel

but always - the elaborate deception
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 7:38 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298816 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:37 am to
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YOU look around - this conversation is about the deep state


The marxist support Gaza. It was you that brought Zionism into the discussion for some weird reason.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 7:38 am
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:38 am to
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The marxist support Gaza.
you dont even know what you mean...
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298816 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:38 am to
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Now that the curtain has been pulled back it is ugly as sin.


Its been that way for hundreds of years.

Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26695 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:39 am to
The President is head of the Executive Branch and has the authority. much of what we call the Deep State falls under that authority. All that is needed is the will

Alejandro Pena and his entire agency work for the Executive Branch.A President Trump would have the authority to fire Pena.He would have the authority to eliminate the agency, President Bush created it.

IMO he would also have the authority to relocate it. They work for him.A plan to put the agencies where they are truly needed. Moving jobs out into the country.

FBI is not needed in DC. Let's put them in the middle of the country. The Southside of Chicago. Rent for space should be cheap.IRS to Baltimore, lets revitalize the city.

You get the idea. if you can't fire them, relocate them.Let them get a taste of life like the rest of us live.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68284 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:49 am to
The intel agencies, State Dept, and DOJ are totally corrupt, but I don't think anyone can stop it. Trump would just be undermined for another four years by them.

This guy has some pretty good perspective for a Euro.

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Film and television have trained our brains to expect narrative arcs in everything we experience, from rising action, through to a climax, and ending in a denouement. Real life is not like this at all, but many of us cannot help but to interpret at least some of our own lives in this fashion. We apply this trajectory to our high school lives, our first romantic relationships, even our careers. Thinking that we are at the centre of a story helps give our lives meaning, and we are all guilty of it from time to time.

The rise of political theatre is also hostage to this frame of reference. We are wont to perceive political developments progressing along a neat and tidy storyline, with all the ups, downs, shocks, disappointments, and celebrations that are built into traditional storytelling. At the end, our political option is the winner, and they all went home happily ever after.

2016 USA is a classic case of this: two simultaneous challenges to the status quo came out of nowhere to threaten the ruling elites. From the left, the ‘BernieBros’ promised Americans a fairer deal that included goodies like universal healthcare. From the right, #MAGA tapped into the powerful energy of the GOP base and its rejection of mass migration, de-industrialization, and open hostility to ordinary, everyday Americans emanating from the coastal elites. For #MAGA, 2016 was indeed a fairy tale; an example of ‘people power’ where the people steamrolled first their own party’s elites, and then those of the opposing party as well.

This massive surprise went to people’s heads (and to be fair, rightly so). The feeling was that the system could be reformed, the ship steered back ‘on course’, and that America genuinely could be made ‘great again’. The problem was that it was one thing to win an election, but it was a totally different thing to actually govern and lead a revolution.

And let’s be honest: a revolution is what the overwhelming majority of Trump voters in 2016 wanted. They saw a system that not only did not work for them, but was actively working against them. Trump tapped into this populist sentiment when no one else did, and rode it to the White House. Unfortunately for his supporters, Trump was no revolutionary and his presidency was a disaster thanks in part to the ruling elites subverting it, in part due to his own incapability, and also due to an Act of God. You wanted a revolutionary, instead you got a reality TV show host who was excellent on the campaign trail, but utterly out of his depth in the Oval Office. He wasn’t the first to be ill-suited for the White House, but he was the first in a long, long time that not fit and not installed by the elites.

One man cannot do it all alone. The US system is a set of checks and balances to ensure that precisely this cannot happen. That means that Trump would have to commandeer a vehicle in order to enact his agenda. The only possible vehicle that could assist him was the GOP. This party’s leadership had no desire to enact Trump’s populist revolution and immediately got to work to strangle his agenda, while using him to implement their own (e.g. Paul Ryan’s tax cut bill in 2017 or SCOTUS appointments).

What #MAGA’s main task should have been during Trump’s administration was a capture of the GOP and its repurposing to reflect his populist agenda. This did not happen, as the presence of Senator Mitch McConnell in US Senate as Minority Leader attests to. #MAGA has now had six whole years to take over the GOP and have utterly failed to do so, despite having the majority of the party base on its side. The GOP today remains the Chamber of Commerce Party, with occasional bones thrown to social conservatives to keep them on the reservation.

Since Trump’s surprise victory, the GOP has managed to not only prevent a populist right takeover of its leadership, but has also pinched just enough populist positions to continue to get mainstream Republicans like Virginia Governor Youngkin into power without alienating their funders. Trump continues to be the 800 pound elephant in the room, but other than him the GOP has tamed its populist faction (just like the Democrats have done with their own very progressive wing).

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Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
19210 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:56 am to
Greedy people don’t go away
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
19210 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:57 am to
In doing so I believe the deep state will be even worse
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
12100 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:02 am to
Trump had 4 years and only added to the deep state by appointing morons like Milley and Wray etc.

Trump is full of shite as usual.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76422 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:10 am to
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Unfortunately this is correct

Yup. Trump showed what he would, would not do and could not do in his four years as POTUS.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55454 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:14 am to
OP is correct and thus the reason I will never vote again. They will destroy anyone that tries to break up the party, and 270 Million Americans will cheer on putting them in jail.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298816 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:17 am to
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Trump had 4 years and only added to the deep state by appointing morons like Milley and Wray etc.


Bill Barr and John Bolton.

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