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re: New Autopsy Report Reveals Those Who Died Suddenly Were Likely Killed by the Covid Vaccine
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:29 pm to THog
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:29 pm to THog
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every paper has a list of limitations and potential bias.
This isn't a limitation or bias. This is the the whole study.
quote:https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/german-autopsy-report-didnt-covid-19-vaccines-likely-cause-sudden-deaths/
In an email to Health Feedback, Konrad Steinestel, head of pathology at the Bundeswehr Hospital Ulm, also said that the headline misrepresented the findings of the study, explaining that only 8.6% of the 35 unexpected deaths included in the study were interpreted by the authors to be causally linked to the vaccine, a result consistent with two other studies[2,3].
Furthermore, the authors’ interpretation rested on the assumption that COVID-19 vaccination was responsible for these cases of sudden death because they occurred shortly after vaccination. “[T]his is a rather large assumption,” said Labos, given that the authors also managed to identify alternative explanations for the cause of death in the cases.
In a Twitter thread, Frank Han, a cardiologist at the University of Illinois in Chicago, considered the study’s histopathological methods of diagnosing myocarditis to be one of its strengths, calling it the “gold standard”. But he also made a similar observation as Labos, noting that “the patients reported to have died of myocarditis had pulmonary and vascular findings consistent with atherosclerosis and pulmonary congestion in some cases” and that “it’s unknown why [the study authors] think atherosclerosis was noncontributory”.
Looking at the study, of the 35 cases they had, they narrowed it down to 5 that were possibly linked. Of that 5, two had BMIs over 30 (obese), 3 had moderate/severe atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, 1 had COPD.
I'm all for doing more studies to identify those who may be a higher risk of adverse effects from the vaccine, but this study doesn't really provide anything.
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Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:31 pm to roadGator
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Congrats. You found the limitations that all studies mention in some fashion or another.
You should probably read them before jumping to conclusions.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:33 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:Forgive my ignorance, but how does what you cited contradict what I said? My point was that they were showing that the vaccine does cause death in otherwise healthy individuals, and that they were not trying to show how frequent that happens; only that it does happen.
Not quite. Seems like their purpose was to say that it's possible.
The part you bolded also doesn't contradict what I said, either. It seems they are just saying that they know it can (and does) cause death in some cases but they haven't established why it does.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:33 pm to Mickey Goldmill
I read them. Are you due for your 5th booster yet?
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:40 pm to FooManChoo
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Forgive my ignorance, but how does what you cited contradict what I said? My point was that they were showing that the vaccine does cause death in otherwise healthy individuals, and that they were not trying to show how frequent that happens; only that it does happen.
The part you bolded also doesn't contradict what I said, either. It seems they are just saying that they know it can (and does) cause death in some cases but they haven't established why it does.
Their study assumes a link is there. It doesn't have any support that the link is there at all other than the time of death following the vaccine. And as I already mentioned, the 5 they identified weren't "otherwise healthy individuals" in the first place.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:41 pm to the_truman_shitshow
It was so important that the drug companies got immunity from litigation. Now we know why. It is a lot worse than I anticipated. I thought they needed immunity from seedy trial lawyers suing over silly stuff. But they definitely need to be held accountable for this - including our FDA, CDC and Fauchi.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 5:41 pm to roadGator
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I read them. Are you due for your 5th booster yet?
I got a single shot a long time ago and don't plan on getting another. I don't regret getting it, I just don't feel I need another.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:05 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I got a single shot a long time ago and don't plan on getting another. I don't regret getting it, I just don't feel I need another.
I took two so I could go to Hawaii. I regret it. Was a fantastic trip, but I wish I would have waited for all of the studies to be completed. I think the fact it was mandated to many is a big deal. Do you?
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:12 pm to the_truman_shitshow
My Aunt who is an extreme hypochondriac came by for a chat with myself and my elderly Dad the other day. We were going to sit at the table and she insisted that I wear a mask, since “she and my Dad were vaccinated and I wasn’t “ and they were wearing masks too(my Dad did only because of her)
I really really had to bite my tongue to keep the peace but I wanted to point out how mindless that was and I wanted to say we needed to have our meeting fast because the damned vax might make both of them fall over dead suddenly before we could talk. fricking Covid fear porn mongers! They have mind fricked so many people!
I really really had to bite my tongue to keep the peace but I wanted to point out how mindless that was and I wanted to say we needed to have our meeting fast because the damned vax might make both of them fall over dead suddenly before we could talk. fricking Covid fear porn mongers! They have mind fricked so many people!
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:17 pm to burke985
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got the first 2 shots
And you're still alive?!?!?!
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:27 pm to Mickey Goldmill
"And as I already mentioned, the 5 they identified weren't "otherwise healthy individuals" in the first place."
So basically like 99% of covid deaths.
So basically like 99% of covid deaths.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:33 pm to THog
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look at the downvoters who suddenly dont follow the science.
It’s you are the science idiot. Did you read the report? It studied 35 cases in which folks died suddenly very soon after taking the vaccine.
First, note that it is extraordinarily rare that someone dies shortly after taking the vaccine. Second, of the 35 rare cases they studied, they only found five that were likely due to the vaccine. There were another 20 that were inconclusive. Now, to the morons on this board, that means if you get vaccinated you will almost certainly die soon.
I used to argue with Branch Covidians, who thought covid ws a death sentence. Now I find myself arguing with the Purebloodians, who think vaccination is a death sentence. And it’s remarkable how similar these two groups are - both grasping at every news story that hints at their narrative.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:33 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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but this study doesn't really provide anything.
You sound very experty on atherosclerosis and causes of death. Appreciate you weighing in.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:38 pm to the_truman_shitshow
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New Autopsy Report Reveals Those Who Died Suddenly Were Likely Killed by the Covid Vaccine
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Were Likely
So a report revealed something that is likely?
So not for sure, but maybe?
So we're following this science now?
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:41 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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And as I already mentioned, the 5 they identified weren't "otherwise healthy individuals" in the first place.
This isn’t really all that relevant. Did the vaccine contribute to their death or not?
In the non-clown world we inhabited prior to Covid, a vaccine causing 5 deaths would have likely been enough to give great pause to medical professionals administering a new vaccine Willy nilly. This vaccine has people like you shilling for it after 30,000 deaths associated with it in VAERS.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:41 pm to jmon
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So a report revealed something that is likely? So not for sure, but maybe?
It could be worse, it could be the science of “six feet apart” or the science of “stay home it could save lives” or the science of “walking down the grocery aisles in one direction” or the science of “wear a mask that says on the box it doesn’t stop viruses”
Posted on 12/13/22 at 7:45 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Till it’s you or me
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:02 pm to the808bass
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And as I already mentioned, the 5 they identified weren't "otherwise healthy individuals" in the first place.
This isn’t really all that relevant. Did the vaccine contribute to their death or not?
That's the point.
Given their underlying risk factors it's unclear whether the vaccine contributed directly to the deaths of these 5 people, and it's improper to say it's proven that it was a causal factor - something the authors mention directly.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:08 pm to BamaAtl
Merry Christmas Pure Bloods
Posted on 12/13/22 at 8:13 pm to TDFreak
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It was so important that the drug companies got immunity from litigation. Now we know why. It is a lot worse than I anticipated. I thought they needed immunity from seedy trial lawyers suing over silly stuff. But they definitely need to be held accountable for this - including our FDA, CDC and Fauchi.
Their immunity is null and void if a felony was committed.
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