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re: Navy says 8 sailors aboard the Lincoln attempted suicide
Posted on 9/24/26 at 8:17 am to RohanGonzales
Posted on 9/24/26 at 8:17 am to RohanGonzales
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Good luck with that Pollyanna.
I'll pray for you.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 8:29 am to bigjoe1
If all of this is true, it's a condemnation of the selection and training process and not a problem with the ships deployment itself.
Carriers are floating naval aviation stations. They are not meant to be tied up pier side. That's what the US has the US air force for.
Solders and sailors suffering mental distress and breakdowns in tense situations are 100% a result of the weak, lax selection and training process changes from the democrat administrations prior. I hope Pete is addressing these devastating problems as he has said he would, but undoing the damage is not an instant process.
Keep this in mind. dumb asses like Robert Gates, Leon Panetta, Martin Dempsey, Lloyd Austin and Mark Miley instituted these policies, Sailors and soldiers got to carry stress cards in bootcamp and when they pulled the card the instructors had to back off them and met them reduce their stress levels before continuing their training for the day.
Gee, I wonder why that didn't work on the Abe Lincoln?
Now as a side note, 8 people in approximately 6000 attempted suicide which is about 0.13% or about 1 attempt per 750 people.
For comparison in 2024, 0.8% if U.S. adults reported attempting suicide in the proceeding 12 months.
Now consider these 8 attempts didn't take place on the Abe Lincoln alone, it took place across the whole strike force, approximately 5-7 ships in the immediate strike group (7,500 to 8,500 ships personal) and as many as 15 ships in the broader task force (ships company of 10,000+)
So 8 suicides attempts over 7500 to 10000 personnel, while tragic is simply hyperbole as far as this story is concerned.
Carriers are floating naval aviation stations. They are not meant to be tied up pier side. That's what the US has the US air force for.
Solders and sailors suffering mental distress and breakdowns in tense situations are 100% a result of the weak, lax selection and training process changes from the democrat administrations prior. I hope Pete is addressing these devastating problems as he has said he would, but undoing the damage is not an instant process.
Keep this in mind. dumb asses like Robert Gates, Leon Panetta, Martin Dempsey, Lloyd Austin and Mark Miley instituted these policies, Sailors and soldiers got to carry stress cards in bootcamp and when they pulled the card the instructors had to back off them and met them reduce their stress levels before continuing their training for the day.
Gee, I wonder why that didn't work on the Abe Lincoln?
Now as a side note, 8 people in approximately 6000 attempted suicide which is about 0.13% or about 1 attempt per 750 people.
For comparison in 2024, 0.8% if U.S. adults reported attempting suicide in the proceeding 12 months.
Now consider these 8 attempts didn't take place on the Abe Lincoln alone, it took place across the whole strike force, approximately 5-7 ships in the immediate strike group (7,500 to 8,500 ships personal) and as many as 15 ships in the broader task force (ships company of 10,000+)
So 8 suicides attempts over 7500 to 10000 personnel, while tragic is simply hyperbole as far as this story is concerned.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 8:41 am to SloaneRanger
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Soft. Get them out of the service. Imagine what the guys who served at sea in WWII would think. Hell, these people weren’t even under fire.
I have a Vietnam era navy veteran customer and I asked him, his response was they're all pussies.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 8:47 am to SloaneRanger
When I was stationed at NH Pensacola, I took in a sailor to our medical holding company. He threatened suicide while serving on a boomer sub. Those boats don't come up but had to medevac this dude. He didn't harm his self, just voiced that he wanted to.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 8:52 am to bigjoe1
Not uncommon. When my ship was ready to deploy to the Persian Gulf, we had numerous attempts from Navy personnel trying to sabotage our ship so they never had to leave.
Also, when I was stationed in Orlando, there was an attempted suicide almost every month in the nuclear program.
Also, when I was stationed in Orlando, there was an attempted suicide almost every month in the nuclear program.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 8:53 am to RCDfan1950
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The psyches of so many of our citizens are just plain soft.
This and mental health issues that they most likely had before joining the military
Posted on 9/24/26 at 8:56 am to bigjoe1
Without context, it’s a useless statement.
Would need to know the mental status of those people before.
Would need to know the mental status of those people before.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 9:09 am to HeadSlash
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a Vietnam era navy veteran customer
Ask him how close he was to Viet Nam.
MOST sailors didn't get within 100 miles of the coast.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 9:36 am to Flats
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You people have lost your fricking minds.
Why would he pen a letter to that person?
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:23 am to FATBOY TIGER
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Why would he pen a letter to that person?
He was responding to questions from a US Senator. And this is hardly a state secret; stuff like this will appear in every suicide briefing (and there are a lot of them) the military gets. "During a 2026 deployment 8 sailors from a carrier group attempted suicide" will be on a PowerPoint slide at some point, probably next year.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:45 am to SloaneRanger
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Imagine what the guys who served at sea in WWII would think. Hell, these people weren’t even under fire.
Imagine thinking there wasn’t plenty of this type of thing in WW2. And honestly on all sides in any conflict that’s ever been fought.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:01 am to bigjoe1
There's quite a noticeable difference between WW2 sailors and the sailors of today.
Can you imagine if these guys were in the Northwest and North-central Pacific in the mid-1940s?
These guys are worried about loneliness and feelings while deployed at sea. The WW2 guys were under constant fire and the ever-present and very real fear of Kamikaze attacks. They. Are. Not. The. Same.
Can you imagine if these guys were in the Northwest and North-central Pacific in the mid-1940s?
These guys are worried about loneliness and feelings while deployed at sea. The WW2 guys were under constant fire and the ever-present and very real fear of Kamikaze attacks. They. Are. Not. The. Same.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:05 am to bigjoe1
No one alarmed that none of them succeeded? They are in the military -- isn't their job to neutralize the enemy? And they can't even neutralize themselves? Just saying....
Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:23 am to Flats
My point is, he doesn't have to answer questions from her or anyone in congress unless they have a congressional subpoena.
So why would he pen her a letter.
So why would he pen her a letter.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:46 am to FATBOY TIGER
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My point is, he doesn't have to answer questions from her or anyone in congress unless they have a congressional subpoena.
No, he doesn't, but it's not an unreasonable question and answering it wasn't unreasonable. She's a US Senator asking a simple, non-classified question about our military.
Maybe he should have posted on X that she should go frick herself because he doesn't answer to her. That would probably lead to more effective governance.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:51 am to bigjoe1
For context, annualized, that's about 1/4 the attempted suicide rate among Americans outside of the USSAL.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:51 am to Cimarron
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What a disgusting thing to say.
It was 19th century cheeky.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 12:11 pm to OysterPoBoy
This is all an attempt to make Hegseth look bad. The senator likely heard about the eight attempts from a credible source, then asked the Navy Sec about it just to get it in his own writing to use for political purposes.
Carrier deployments always have suicide attempts. I'd be more surprised if none were successful.
Some sailors are on their first deployment and soon realize navy life isn't for them. Others receive Dear John letters. Some lose parents or siblings while deployed and don't take the news well. Some are just crazy. And likely many other reasons as well for someone to attempt suicide.
Often times there are even deaths of natural causes during deployments.
Carrier deployments always have suicide attempts. I'd be more surprised if none were successful.
Some sailors are on their first deployment and soon realize navy life isn't for them. Others receive Dear John letters. Some lose parents or siblings while deployed and don't take the news well. Some are just crazy. And likely many other reasons as well for someone to attempt suicide.
Often times there are even deaths of natural causes during deployments.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 12:15 pm to geauxpurple
Because some of them want to be discharged and never had any true intent on taking their own life. Only the appearance of such.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 1:08 pm to EnragedPlatypus
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Multiple Army deployments here, each 9-12 months. We worked 12-hour days, 7 days a week, with zero days off. We took direct and indirect fire 5-6 days a week for months at a time.
Yeah...and how many of your fellow soldiers were alright in the head when they got back to the States? I know my cousin wasn't. He went through two failed marriages, a stint in prison, and a rehab facility before he was able to get his life back together after serving a combat tour in Iraq.
This post was edited on 9/24/26 at 1:09 pm
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