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re: National shelter in place due to the vinyl chloride spill in OH?

Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:42 am to
Posted by stout
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:42 am to
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Said it’s absolutely a nothing burger.




Cool.

I saw some people saying acid rain from the burning had ruined their cars 70 miles from the site.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:43 am to
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Said it’s absolutely a nothing burger.
If there is consideration of a National shelter in place, then that is more than a nothing burger.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:43 am to
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JohnnyKilroy



I am sure you are disappointed that we won't need more shots to combat this.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:44 am to
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I saw some people saying acid rain from the burning had ruined their cars 70 miles from the site.

And did you share that story on Facebook?

This is OML-level sky falling shite, bruh. Your posts are certainly different than they used to be.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12849 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:44 am to
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Dead fish were found in East Palestine, Ohio's Leslie Run stream. It's contaminated with ammonia, oxygen is low, officials have found dissolved gases, excessive nitrogen & phosphorous; & high levels of bacteria. It's downstream from Lake Erie & upstream from the Ohio River

Those factors:
- Excess nitrogen
- Excess phosphorus
- Excess ammonia
- Low dissolved O2
- High levels of bacteria

..are pretty typical for any stream that’s been contaminated by poorly-treated industrial wastewater and/or fertilizer runoff. In fact, there’s no phosphorus in VCM. That sounds more like a typical fertilizer runoff issue.

The EPA report referenced in that Twitter thread is from 2022 and there is a further EPA report documenting issues in that watershed back through at least 2005.

ETA: This is a classic example of “don’t believe most of what you read on Twitter.”
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 8:47 am
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18084 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:45 am to
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Well, it makes sense that they set it on fire then. Acid rain sounds fun

Wait till you find out what happens when you flare H2S.
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
56000 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:45 am to
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The exposed PVC in Tiger Stadium was about as bad as it gets.



It’s unfortunate that this post will not get the upvotes it deserves.


Those that get it
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
156636 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:45 am to
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If there is consideration of a National shelter in place, then that is more than a nothing burger.

Perhaps.

Or perhaps that is simply an overly cautious stance by the government.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
59227 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:45 am to
What’s terrifying is that so much of our water supply comes into contact with poly vinyl chloride every day
Posted by MadDogs
Member since Jul 2018
454 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:48 am to
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Burning vcm will make some HCl acid and a few other chemicals, but all of that shite has dissipated and is gone.


From my limited knowledge, that is my understanding as well for the stuff they intentionally burned off. I think the bigger concern right now is everything that leaked into to ground water and the soil.

Considering the local mandatory evac has ended, I think a national shelter in place is a bit dramatic, but who knows maybe there was more released than is being admitted to.
Posted by marcus3000
Member since Jan 2018
973 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:49 am to
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Any info or identification on who those people are that are saying this?


C'mon dude it's in the OP's post:

"That's what some are people are saying needs to happen."

Seems legit
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182533 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:49 am to
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This is OML-level sky falling shite, bruh. Your posts are certainly different than they used to be.




I can see how that is perceived. If I wanted an echo chamber I would have started this on the Poli board.

I started this because, as I said in my OP, I know guys here probably work around this stuff daily and know about it. It was an effort to ask about it but a few people came in and derailed it into something else because it was a "stout" thread in their eyes.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
60710 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:50 am to
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If there is consideration of a National shelter in place, t
there isn't
Posted by TheGasMan
Member since Oct 2014
3485 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:51 am to
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If there is consideration of a National shelter in place

There isn’t.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:51 am to
What? Are you saying OP made it up?
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
59227 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:51 am to
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But if you have cloth masks leftover from the pandemic use them.

The pandemic isn’t over
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
56000 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:51 am to
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Clearly they were losing a lot of money having that line closed.


That's it in a nutshell. It's always about the $$$
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41110 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:52 am to
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I started this because, as I said in my OP, I know guys here probably work around this stuff daily and know about it. It was an effort to ask about it but a few people came in and derailed it into something else because it was a "stout" thread in their eyes.



People are giving you shite because in typical stout fashion you are implying that this is or could be a national disaster necessitating locking down the entire country. You say that the town near the accident site will be destroyed and the water supply will never recover.

That's about as chicken little/OML as it gets.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:52 am to
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Honestly I can't imagine how we've fricked this up so badly.
Really?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
41110 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:54 am to
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What? Are you saying OP made it up?



He probably didn't make it up but a small segment of twitter users (high iq as they are) are claiming that this is the US's Chernobyl so OP is running with that. If you haven't noticed he is BIG on fear/disaster porn.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 8:55 am
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