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re: My opinion of abortion pisses off folks on both sides. Am I the only one who believes this
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:50 am to TrueTiger
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:50 am to TrueTiger
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get rid of it
You’d have to do several things first. You would have to deport every single illegal immigrant. This would open up the job market. We also need to ship every single person on an education visa from foreign countries back. This will open up our educational system so we can educate more Americans. Education + Jobs would make it easier to completely dismantle welfare. I agree with you but there are several steps that would have to be done first that are near impossible.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 6:51 am
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:51 am to ronricks
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You would have to deport every single illegal immigrant.
most would self deport
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:56 am to TrueTiger
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most would self deport
The only thing that works as far as self deportation is an awful economy. People forget but a lot of illegals went back to their shithole countries from 2008-2011 because there were no jobs. All they did was come right back in 2012-2013 when things started getting better growth wise.
It takes several steps to dismantle the welfare state in this country and with 30 million illegals here clogging up jobs and other safety nets it’s impossible to replace them with actual Americans on welfare unless we deport all of them which is impossible.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:05 am to Eli Goldfinger
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1. I believe that abortion is murder and that fact is not debatable.
2. I believe that an abortion ban is detrimental to society as it will lead to many more dirtbag adults who will be living on government welfare.
Who is the bigger dirtbag... the one who aborts a child or the one who is very young, has the child, lives on welfare and works hard to make a better life for themselves?
I have another view which most don't bother to consider, but it actually valid.
Yes, the mother has autonomy over her body. Even in the early stages of pregnancy. But as the unborn life grows, the rights of the mother DO in fact start to lessen and give way to the rights of the unborn.
At some point, certainly at the time of a heartbeat and cerebral activity, there are 2 individuals, not just one. It's no longer simply HER body. The longer the pregnancy, the more rights the unborn has. That's founded in nature and science. The unborn has an entirely unique DNA to its own, unlike either of its parents.
I think abortion is a choice a mother can take. Up until there's a heartbeat. After that, she needs a better reason that " OMG, a baby is sooo hard to raise! ".
Tough. That's life. Make better choices.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:08 am to Eli Goldfinger
I'd prefer stopping unwanted pregnancies so that abortions aren't needed.
I don't know why both sides can't get behind that.
I don't know why both sides can't get behind that.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:10 am to BamaAggiemom
Correct. You can fix the root cause or just nuke babies. I am not sure why nuking babies is the go to. Doesn’t fix the issue. Just hides it.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:17 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
You did not have public aid back in the 1800's. But you still had lots of poverty and violence particularly in the big cities. Read How the Other Half Lives by Jacob Riis about the immigrant neighborhoods and tenements of NYC in the late 1800s . It was truly a world where the fittest survived and shocking with the amount of poverty in such close proximity of a world of gilded wealth. It will open your eyes to a world where you not only had people who were really exploited but of economic conditions where people were largely forgotten. It was conditions like this over about 50 years that finally led Roosevelt in the 1930s to institute some form of public assistance....plus 20% unemployment makes a populace ripe for revolution.
You had families that would live in 2 room tenaments. 1 family with 4 or 5 kids in 1 room and another of the same size in another. Back then the idea of any public assistance was not even thought about....on either side. It was not even in the consciousness
You had families that would live in 2 room tenaments. 1 family with 4 or 5 kids in 1 room and another of the same size in another. Back then the idea of any public assistance was not even thought about....on either side. It was not even in the consciousness
Posted on 6/25/22 at 8:23 am to Meursault
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Today she would be put in prison
Hyperbole much?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 8:28 am to Smokeyone
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So back to eugenics, where poor people are sterilized so we have fewer undesirable people…
In the face of overpopulation and the fact that the number of folks on gov assistance is getting too large to be supported by the number of actual taxpayers…it seems like a solid plan.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 8:32 am to novabill
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You are saying it is good to kill those that will become dirtbags. You condone murder.
That “might” become dirt bags. I mean, if this is the reasoning for infanticide, as a form of crime prevention, then wouldn’t a more rational and less barbaric solution be to kill all criminals and sterilize poor single women/mothers?
Rather than extinguish innocent life, why not terminate those that already chose evil, and prevent those that are prone to making bad choices?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 8:32 am to Eli Goldfinger
Because we don't get to kill people to save money on welfare programs. The solution is to require all able bodied adults to work and support their families.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 8:34 am to Eli Goldfinger
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In the face of overpopulation
Overpopulation isn’t a thing
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fact that the number of folks on gov assistance is getting too large to be supported by the number of actual taxpayers…it seems like a solid plan.
The solution is to increase the number of taxpayers and decrease govt assistance, not murder babies before they are born. My grandparents were on govt assistance, I am not and have never been. My parents never were.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 8:36 am to Eli Goldfinger
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2. I believe that an abortion ban is detrimental to society as it will lead to many more dirtbag adults who will be living on government welfare.
Do you believe it is detrimental to society to not murder dirtbag adults who are on welfare?
I believe Democrats are detrimental to the society. Should they be murdered?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 8:41 am to Eli Goldfinger
I believe an abortion ban will lead to more abused children. Some people aren't meant to be parents.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 8:44 am to HeadSlash
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I believe an abortion ban will lead to more abused children. Some people aren't meant to be parents.
Well for one an abortion ban was not passed yesterday. Additionally, It would also lead to more unabused children and children of all types
Posted on 6/25/22 at 8:48 am to moneyg
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I believe Democrats are detrimental to the society. Should they be murdered?
Yes, no exceptions
Posted on 6/25/22 at 8:57 am to Eli Goldfinger
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This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 7:13 am
Posted on 6/25/22 at 9:04 am to Eli Goldfinger
Your not wrong on either account, but abortion should be illegal because of #1 NOT legal because of #2
As we know making something illegal doesn’t mean it will stop but what it will do is make it harder to obtain. And as sad as this sounds abortions should be moved back to the underground preformed by untrained people where they’re is a high likely hood of the woman getting the abortion having here insides damaged to the point where she can’t have kids anymore. Like before RvW. This limits her ability to have multiple abortions. Also sadly and tragic consequence of my underground abortions is greater likely good of the mother dying in the process. But maybe there should be more risk to the mother if she wants to kill her baby.
At any rate. My perfect solution would be to better educate young people on how to prevent pregnancy in the first place but them also make adoption a more viable opportunity by more education, more funding to make it affordable to hopeful parents like if to adopt (fyi circa early 2000s the avg cost was 35,000-45,000) if government wants to be in the business of funding something this it what they should be funding not murder.
As we know making something illegal doesn’t mean it will stop but what it will do is make it harder to obtain. And as sad as this sounds abortions should be moved back to the underground preformed by untrained people where they’re is a high likely hood of the woman getting the abortion having here insides damaged to the point where she can’t have kids anymore. Like before RvW. This limits her ability to have multiple abortions. Also sadly and tragic consequence of my underground abortions is greater likely good of the mother dying in the process. But maybe there should be more risk to the mother if she wants to kill her baby.
At any rate. My perfect solution would be to better educate young people on how to prevent pregnancy in the first place but them also make adoption a more viable opportunity by more education, more funding to make it affordable to hopeful parents like if to adopt (fyi circa early 2000s the avg cost was 35,000-45,000) if government wants to be in the business of funding something this it what they should be funding not murder.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:08 am to Pandy Fackler
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Maybe say #1 this way. The willfull, mechanical termination of a healthy human pregnancy is an unnatural act. There's no reconciling with "murder". Murder is always a "detriment" to society.
With that in mind, abort away because you're right on #2. And in about 17 years, the suburbs of cities like New Orleans will feel the pain of this.
The current abortion rate among blacks is around 36%. Take that away and barriers like the causeway bridge and the I-10 twin span will not hold back the tide of crime and social degradation that comes from a whopping 36% increase in poor, uneducated black people.
These fricking people don't work for corporations and Medicaid isn't paying for their out of state abortions.
Everything you love about New Orleans is because of black people . And in less that two decades, everything you love about your white suburbs will be because of black people too.
You don't have to kill babies to tackle the problems you are describing, a couple of things that could be done are:
---mandatory sterilization for all violent felons.
---time limits to staying on welfare, otherwise
sterilization becomes a requirement to keep getting it.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 11:42 am to Eli Goldfinger
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2. I believe that an abortion ban is detrimental to society as it will lead to many more dirtbag adults who will be living on government welfare.
That could be resolved with abolishing welfare.
Tell them to get a job and wear a condom.
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