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re: Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry bans teaching of critical race theory in schools
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:36 am to rwestmore7
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:36 am to rwestmore7
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The discussion about equity versus equality has evolved, and professional educators understand that providing the exact same resources to everyone isn’t always fair. What’s fair is giving people what they need to reach their potential, and that’s what equity is all about.
life isn’t fair. it’s never going to be fair. almost everyone has hurdles and difficulties in life. sounds like some of you weren’t taught this lesson as a child.
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:38 am to the808bass
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Telling grade school kids that their whiteness is an inescapable problem is infecting them.
Please send me the link for where this has been taught in Louisiana.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 11:40 am
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:38 am to Bourre
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I’m not the one who fricks homeless dudes, psycho
Can I have the backstory? I see this posted often
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:40 am to the808bass
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For a system to be fair, the theory proposes that the outcomes must be equal.
And he's already showed his slip here.
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Equity is about ensuring that everyone has what they need to succeed
And what happens when they don't succeed? By golly, that's just proof that we haven't done enough to help them. Moar money please. If that doesn't do it then quotas please. It will never stop.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:40 am to rwestmore7
quote:So… From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs? Dang. I wish I could remember where that comes from.
The discussion about equity versus equality has evolved, and professional educators understand that providing the exact same resources to everyone isn’t always fair. What’s fair is giving people what they need to reach their potential, and that’s what equity is all about. So, no, equity isn’t just about outcomes. It’s about access and support to create a fairer system for everyone.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:40 am to Klark Kent
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life isn’t fair. it’s never going to be fair.
So because life is never going to be 100% fair, we shouldn't try to be fairer? Is that your point?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:41 am to rwestmore7
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The discussion about equity versus equality has evolved, and professional educators understand that providing the exact same resources to everyone isn’t always fair. What’s fair is giving people what they need to reach their potential, and that’s what equity is all about.
This seems to more often devolve into just chasing your tail, and worse depriving those who would actually benefit from what you were doing.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:42 am to rwestmore7
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Please send me the link for where this has been taught in Louisiana.
Are you worried that it has been taught in K12 settings across the country and you’d like to artificially restrict the discussion to Louisiana? That’s a rhetorical question.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:42 am to rwestmore7
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it’s our responsibility to ensure that less fortunate students get the extra resources they need to succeed.
What is a less fortunate student?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:44 am to Flats
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And he's already showed his slip here.
Um, did you read? He's explaining a theory not advocating for teaching it. This is not a gotcha...
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And what happens when they don't succeed? By golly, that's just proof that we haven't done enough to help them. Moar money please. If that doesn't do it then quotas please. It will never stop.
I would engage in real discussion with you, but it seems like your mind is already made up.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:45 am to rwestmore7
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Please send me the link for where this has been taught in Louisiana.
That’s the problem with your dumb arse. You post about a theory and whenever that theory has been implemented, the outcomes have been disastrous. How about you provide a link where it’s worked. Where kids are not segregated into oppressors and oppressed. Let’s see some K-12 success stories for CRT, where one group of kid’s aren’t put down in order to pull another group of kids up.
You see, some of us aren’t blinded by ideology and have our kids interest at heart. Unlike the childless cat people like you, who only care about advancing a Marxist ideology
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:45 am to 4cubbies
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That’s your own misunderstanding.
I'm happy to discuss the underpinnings of your beliefs at length if you like
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:47 am to rwestmore7
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So because life is never going to be 100% fair, we shouldn't try to be fairer?
Your posts are full of the words fair, fairness, fairer, etc. and I bet you cannot produce a good definition.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:47 am to texag7
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The woke mind virus will be the end of the west
If you said a black student whose parents make $300k and both have advanced degrees, you are still correct.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:47 am to 4cubbies
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Assuming everyone who doesn’t agree with you is trolling only demonstrates your own inability to think critically and consider viewpoints that aren’t your own. I mean that respectfully, but why are you on a discussion board if you’re unwilling to discuss topics you aren’t familiar with or don’t understand? You don’t have to participate in threads that fall outside of your scope of knowledge.
Calling someone out for trolling has nothing to do with shutting down discussion.
As stated, I'm happy to discuss CRT in granular detail to your heart's content.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:56 am to rwestmore7
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I would engage in real discussion with you, but it seems like your mind is already made up.
Or you could answer the question.
Let's not pretend that I don't have countless examples proving my point. Do you? Can you point to an area of underperformance by a "disadvantaged" group where folks like yourself said "Well, that's enough. We made up for their oppression and they still didn't succeed, that's on them."
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:59 am to 4cubbies
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The poster you posted confirms that equity is concerned with access to opportunities while equality is concerned with equal outcomes (ie everyone gets the exact same bandaid regardless of need).
Not at all.
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Equity aims to address historical and systematic disadvantages and achieve 'equality of opportunity'.
I get how that can look like "equality", but the full context of what they are saying is that true equality can come about only through equity (the "addressing" part). In other words, under the Equity banner the equality of opportunity can be achieved only through weighting those opportunities against whatever "historical and systematic disadvantages" are claimed against a given group. If weighted in a "fair" manner, then outcomes are equal, thus proving that there is an equality of opportunity.
To write that same sentence a bit more clearly:
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Equity aims to achieve 'equality of opportunity' by addressing historical and systematic disadvantages.
It's putting the cart before the horse.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:00 pm to Bourre
Wow, the hostility really helps make your point... not. I’m not denying that there might be one-off lessons or individual teachers who have tried to incorporate some version of CRT into their classrooms. However, that doesn’t mean CRT is being widely taught nationally and is not being taught in Louisiana schools as part of the official curriculum. As I’ve said from the beginning, the reality is that CRT isn’t part of what’s being taught in K-12 schools here.
The focus should be on what’s actually happening in our schools, not on isolated incidents or exaggerated fears. Let’s keep the conversation grounded in what’s relevant to our kids’ education here in Louisiana.
The focus should be on what’s actually happening in our schools, not on isolated incidents or exaggerated fears. Let’s keep the conversation grounded in what’s relevant to our kids’ education here in Louisiana.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:03 pm to BilJ
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yeah my issue with Jeff in general, this is more empty calorie legislation that only serves the purpose of getting him national headlines and FB shares from old people.
This is a common pretend complaint if the lefties.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:03 pm to Flats
It’s clear that you believe this is a never-ending cycle, but the reality is more nuanced. There’s no one size fits all answer to complex issues like education and equity, and that’s why blanket solutions don’t work. The goal isn’t to keep throwing resources at a problem indefinitely, but to identify and address the specific barriers that are holding students back.
There will always be debate over how much is enough, but it’s not about giving up or blaming people when they don’t succeed. It’s about finding effective solutions that actually make a difference. If you’re open to a real discussion, I’d be interested in hearing your ideas on what you think would work better?
There will always be debate over how much is enough, but it’s not about giving up or blaming people when they don’t succeed. It’s about finding effective solutions that actually make a difference. If you’re open to a real discussion, I’d be interested in hearing your ideas on what you think would work better?
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