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re: Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry bans teaching of critical race theory in schools
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:03 pm to rwestmore7
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:03 pm to rwestmore7
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I’m not denying that there might be one-off lessons or individual teachers who have tried to incorporate some version of CRT into their classrooms.
Are school districts paying for training for their teachers that incorporates the ideas and theories of CRT?
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:05 pm to the808bass
I'm not aware of any government initiative or curriculum named "systemic racism" so I'm not really sure what this is all intended to combat anyway
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:07 pm to Bard
Equity is about leveling the playing field by addressing historical and systemic disadvantages so that everyone has a fair shot at success. This is what’s meant by equality of opportunity. It’s not about guaranteeing equal outcomes for everyone. It’s about making sure everyone has access to the opportunities they need to succeed, given their different starting points.
The idea isn’t to put the cart before the horse, but to recognize that true equality of opportunity can’t exist if we ignore the barriers that some groups face due to past and ongoing inequities. By addressing these barriers, we create a more just and fair system where everyone has the potential to succeed based on their own efforts, not on the circumstances they were born into.
The idea isn’t to put the cart before the horse, but to recognize that true equality of opportunity can’t exist if we ignore the barriers that some groups face due to past and ongoing inequities. By addressing these barriers, we create a more just and fair system where everyone has the potential to succeed based on their own efforts, not on the circumstances they were born into.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:08 pm to TJG210
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Cool…..but was this actually being taught in Louisiana schools to start with? I don’t want this shite anywhere near a classroom, but this is more nonsense from Landry that doesn’t touch on any of the major problems in this state. Economy, insurance, crime, infrastructure are all more pressing problems.
National Anthem, Ten Commandments, CRT ban….hey this is all well and good.
But for crying out loud, fix the insurance crisis, Govnah’!
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:09 pm to 4cubbies
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This must be why Asian people can’t receive blood from African or European people. This explains why someone with black skin can’t donate an organ to someone with white skin. Right? The biological differences between races are just too great.
Some of the lefties are playing defense by trying to obfuscate the definition of CRT, its existence etc.
Then you have the complete morons like this one.
This might be the dumbest point I’ve ever read on this board.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:09 pm to rwestmore7
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It’s not about guaranteeing equal outcomes for everyone.
You’ve been shown in this thread that equal outcomes is exactly the goal and yet you persist in lying about it.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:09 pm to the808bass
Some school districts do offer training that includes concepts related to diversity, equity, and inclusion, which may touch on ideas that overlap with CRT. However, that doesn’t mean CRT itself is being taught as a curriculum in classrooms. These trainings are often about helping teachers understand different perspectives and create inclusive environments.
It’s important to differentiate between using some of the ideas from CRT to inform teaching practices and actually teaching CRT as a subject. The focus in most schools is on fostering an environment where all students can succeed, not on indoctrinating them with any specific theory.
It’s important to differentiate between using some of the ideas from CRT to inform teaching practices and actually teaching CRT as a subject. The focus in most schools is on fostering an environment where all students can succeed, not on indoctrinating them with any specific theory.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:09 pm to rwestmore7
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The goal isn’t to keep throwing resources at a problem indefinitely,
I don't know if it's the goal or not; I suspect for some it is, for others not so much. I DO know that's the effective outcome, unless you have a lot of examples as I requested.
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but to identify and address the specific barriers that are holding students back.
This is only partially true. The goal is clearly to identify and address the specific external barriers that are holding students back. Folks like Thomas Sowell and their views aren't welcome in this discussion.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:11 pm to rwestmore7
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Some school districts do offer training that includes concepts related to diversity, equity, and inclusion, which may touch on ideas that overlap with CRT. However, that doesn’t mean CRT itself is being taught as a curriculum in classrooms. These trainings are often about helping teachers understand different perspectives and create inclusive environments.
We’ve come so far since the beginning of the thread. If you want to skip ahead to the “So what if CRT is being taught? It’s a good thing!” part of the argument, we can finish up here.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:17 pm to rwestmore7
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Are you worried that kids might actually learn the uncomfortable truth that white people owned slaves
Are you now defining CRT as teaching that white people owned slaves?
This will be your 3rd definition (still reading).
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:18 pm to the808bass
It’s not about lying. It’s about your fundamental misunderstanding of the distinction between striving for equal opportunities and mandating equal outcomes. Yes, some advocates discuss addressing disparities in outcomes as a way to ensure fairness, but that doesn’t mean the goal is to guarantee everyone ends up in the same place. Equity focuses on removing barriers and providing support where it’s needed so that everyone has a fair chance to succeed. It’s like a baseball player aiming for a perfect batting average, just because it’s unlikely doesn’t mean they aren’t trying their best every time they step up to the plate. We should be striving to ensure everyone has the opportunity for a good outcome, but that doesn’t mean we’ll ever achieve perfect equality. And when I say "same outcome", I know you’ll exaggerate that, but I simply mean having the same OPPORTUNITY for a positive outcome.
Also, continually accusing someone of lying and resorting to name-calling doesn’t contribute to a good discussion. If we’re going to have a meaningful conversation, it would be more productive to focus on the ideas and perspectives rather than personal attacks.
Also, continually accusing someone of lying and resorting to name-calling doesn’t contribute to a good discussion. If we’re going to have a meaningful conversation, it would be more productive to focus on the ideas and perspectives rather than personal attacks.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:20 pm to moneyg
No, that is what you guys think
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:20 pm to moneyg
“Sure there’s elements of the theory of CRT being taught. And sure the teachers are being trained in theories tied to CRT. But it’s not an official part of the curriculum.”
Substitute Catholicism for CRT and imagine the consternation that would ensue from the Left.
Substitute Catholicism for CRT and imagine the consternation that would ensue from the Left.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:21 pm to rwestmore7
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Equity is about leveling the playing field by addressing historical and systemic disadvantages so that everyone has a fair shot at success.
Wrong. Try again.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:21 pm to rwestmore7
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It’s not about lying. It’s about your fundamental misunderstanding of the distinction between striving for equal opportunities and mandating equal outcomes. Yes, some advocates discuss addressing disparities in outcomes as a way to ensure fairness, but that doesn’t mean the goal is to guarantee everyone ends up in the same place.
When they say the goal is equal outcomes, I believe them. You don’t. Perhaps you aren’t lying and you’re just extremely naive. I’ll let you decide.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:21 pm to the808bass
It always dwindles to a semantic argument
"Sure I teach my students about structural oppression but we don't teach Paulo Freire in K-12! That's just conservative overreaction!"
"Sure I teach my students about structural oppression but we don't teach Paulo Freire in K-12! That's just conservative overreaction!"
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:23 pm to rwestmore7
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everyone, it’s about recognizing that people start from different places and may need different resources to have a fair shot at success. It’s not about making everyone the same, but about leveling the playing field so everyone has a chance to achieve their potential.
DEI is the opposite of that. It is a predetermined result that is implemented by modifying competitive evaluations.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:24 pm to the808bass
Geez, it’s like talking to a brick wall. Just because elements of CRT are being discussed doesn’t mean CRT itself is being taught as a curriculum. It’s like how schools teach about the Constitution and the amendments—that doesn’t mean they’re teaching full-blown constitutional law. And using your own religious example, if a school talks about the influence of Catholicism in history, that doesn’t mean they’re telling kids they need to be Catholic. There’s a big difference between discussing concepts and pushing a specific agenda. It’s frustrating to keep repeating this, but it seems like the distinction is still being missed.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:24 pm to PoBoy1
Thanks for your insight, Mr. Expert.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:25 pm to rwestmore7
quote:By teaching that it’s whitey’s fault that blacks don’t make good grades and succeed in school of course.
real solutions require a more comprehensive approach that acknowledges both historical and current inequalities.
“Historical and current inequalities,” ‘Blacks were slaves a century and a half ago, so it still affects you. You are poor and uneducated because of slavery and the white man holding you down, not because of your parent’s poor choices. It’s all because of the white man.’
That is what you want taught.
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