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re: Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry bans teaching of critical race theory in schools
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:11 am to rwestmore7
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:11 am to rwestmore7
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Nice try, but we’re not talking about DEI college admissions here. I haven't said anything about agreeing or disagreeing with college admissions. Teaching students about equity in school is about providing a fair education, not about taking opportunities away from anyone. Let’s stick to the actual topic instead of trying to derail the conversation with unrelated arguments.
I assume you're trolling at this point, it's just too by-the-book obtuse.
Otherwise, your argument is "we should teach children a concept on a false premise because as-applied it's the exact opposite of what I suggest"
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:11 am to 4cubbies
You celebrated those kid’s deaths didn’t you. Probably flicked your bean to the thought of some dead white kids
Sorry not sorry your leftist cum dumpster arse can’t teach white kids they are the world’s oppressors. You people are mentally damaged for going after children
Sorry not sorry your leftist cum dumpster arse can’t teach white kids they are the world’s oppressors. You people are mentally damaged for going after children
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:13 am to rwestmore7
many people here seem to think giving a bandaid to someone who is bleeding is unfair unless every single person also gets a Bandaid whether they are bleeding or not. Ironically, that is preaching equal outcomes, which they claim to oppose.
It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:13 am to 4cubbies
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This is a thread about the small-government, freedom loving Governor of Louisiana banning an academic theory from being taught in K-12 public schools in Louisiana.
Ah yes
As a small government proponent you can't
*checks notes*
limit government from expanding beyond classical education topics into entirely new fields of instruction
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:15 am to 4cubbies
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many people here seem to think giving a bandaid to someone who is bleeding is unfair unless every single person also gets a Bandaid whether they are bleeding or not. Ironically, that is preaching equal outcomes, which they claim to oppose.
The worldview promotes the idea that if the person bleeding is white, he doesn't need a band aid and isn't actually bleeding.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:16 am to Bourre
You are disgusting and can not make a single sound argument
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:18 am to Pettifogger
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The worldview promotes the idea that if the person bleeding is white, he doesn't need a band aid and isn't actually bleeding.
That’s your own misunderstanding.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:20 am to 4cubbies
He really struggles with thoughts of feeling guilty about his skin color it seems.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:22 am to Pettifogger
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I assume you're trolling at this point, it's just too by-the-book obtuse.
Assuming everyone who doesn’t agree with you is trolling only demonstrates your own inability to think critically and consider viewpoints that aren’t your own. I mean that respectfully, but why are you on a discussion board if you’re unwilling to discuss topics you aren’t familiar with or don’t understand? You don’t have to participate in threads that fall outside of your scope of knowledge.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:22 am to 4cubbies
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Equity isn’t equal outcomes. Equity deals with access, not outcomes.
Incorrect. Equality is equal access, equity is equal outcomes.
The push for equality was always about access, the claim was that things weren't fair for group x, y or z because they weren't given the same opportunities to prove themselves.
The push for equity is that things aren't fair because group x, y or z doesn't have enough representation in whatever scenario. In other words, if they aren't achieving some representational milestone through having equal access (equality) then that outcome is an inequity.
All contributors on helpfulprofessor.com must hold relevant postgraduate academic qualifications from a respected mainstream academic institution. Articles written by contributors on the site go through a peer-review editorial process. Peer reviewers are PhD-level academics with relevant expertise. In other words, this is a site created by professional educators and they view equality vs equity the opposite way you do.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:24 am to rwestmore7
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You are disgusting and can not make a single sound argument
You are a pussy who wants to infect children with hatred for each other based off who are oppressors and who are the oppressed. You keep posting the utopian, fake unicorn fart version of what you think CRT is when in reality, it turns into a Maoist struggle fest for white children to be shamed. We’ve seen how these theories have been implemented across the country and I’m glad our Governor put a stop to it here.
Leave our children alone, whether it’s your CRT lies or grooming kids for the alphabet people. Sick fricks
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:27 am to Bard
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Incorrect. Equality is equal access, equity is equal outcomes.
We can go back and forth all day telling each other “no, you’re wrong.”
The poster you posted confirms that equity is concerned with access to opportunities while equality is concerned with equal outcomes (ie everyone gets the exact same bandaid regardless of need).
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:27 am to Bard
It looks like you’re still conflating equity with equal outcomes, which isn’t accurate. The graphic you shared explains it clearly: Equity is about ensuring that everyone has what they need to succeed, recognizing that people start from different places. It’s not about guaranteeing everyone the same outcome but about leveling the playing field so that everyone has a fair shot.
Equality, on the other hand, is about giving everyone the same resources and opportunities without considering their unique circumstances. The push for equity doesn’t mean we’re demanding equal outcomes. It means we’re acknowledging that some people need more support to have the same opportunities.
The discussion about equity versus equality has evolved, and professional educators understand that providing the exact same resources to everyone isn’t always fair. What’s fair is giving people what they need to reach their potential, and that’s what equity is all about. So, no, equity isn’t just about outcomes. It’s about access and support to create a fairer system for everyone.
Equality, on the other hand, is about giving everyone the same resources and opportunities without considering their unique circumstances. The push for equity doesn’t mean we’re demanding equal outcomes. It means we’re acknowledging that some people need more support to have the same opportunities.
The discussion about equity versus equality has evolved, and professional educators understand that providing the exact same resources to everyone isn’t always fair. What’s fair is giving people what they need to reach their potential, and that’s what equity is all about. So, no, equity isn’t just about outcomes. It’s about access and support to create a fairer system for everyone.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:28 am to Bourre
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You are a pussy who wants to infect children with hatred for each other based off who are oppressors and who are the oppressed.
The rantings of an emotionally unstable person. This doesn’t deserve any sort of acknowledgment or response.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:30 am to Bourre
It's clear you’re more interested in name calling than having a real discussion. Probably because you aren't educated enough to actually understand anything more complex. No one is trying to "infect" children with hatred, and your extreme rhetoric only serves to shut down any meaningful conversation.
If you’re so confident in your views, maybe try engaging with the actual ideas rather than resorting to insults and fear-mongering.
If you’re so confident in your views, maybe try engaging with the actual ideas rather than resorting to insults and fear-mongering.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:31 am to 4cubbies
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more nonsense from Landry that doesn’t touch on any of the major problems in this state.
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Bingo
like the OP cares. Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:32 am to 4cubbies
I’m not the one who fricks homeless dudes, psycho
You won’t acknowledge that when CRT has been implemented, it’s not turned out how yall say it would turn out
You won’t acknowledge that when CRT has been implemented, it’s not turned out how yall say it would turn out
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 11:38 am
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:32 am to 4cubbies
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Equity isn’t equal outcomes. Equity deals with access, not outcomes.
I cited two advocates for equity above that say it’s about outcomes. By the way, that’s the whole point of Critical Race theory, unequal outcomes are a demonstration of an unfair system. For a system to be fair, the theory proposes that the outcomes must be equal.
I know that you thinks that’s a dumb idea and that, therefore, it cannot be the idea that these sophisticated educators and theorist hold. But it is exactly the stupid theory that these theorists and educators hold.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:33 am to 4cubbies
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The rantings of an emotionally unstable person. This doesn’t deserve any sort of acknowledgment or response.
And yet you respond
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:34 am to rwestmore7
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Probably because you aren't educated enough to actually understand anything more complex. No one is trying to "infect" children with hatred, and your extreme rhetoric only serves to shut down any meaningful conversation.
Telling grade school kids that their whiteness is an inescapable problem is infecting them. No one should care what the intent is of that discussion. The outcome is horrific.
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