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re: Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry bans teaching of critical race theory in schools

Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:26 pm to
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Thanks for your insight, Mr. Expert.
So what makes you a fricking expert?

Your gender studies degree?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87384 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:27 pm to
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There’s a big difference between discussing concepts and pushing a specific agenda.


Oh I get it

So we should discuss equity and systemic racism as concepts promoted by certain elements of society/academia and not as factual realities or confirmed societal ills?

Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110969 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:29 pm to
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There’s a big difference between discussing concepts and pushing a specific agenda.


Except when the “concept” is really nothing but an agenda. Man, your comparison examples were absolute shite too.
Posted by rwestmore7
Member since Nov 2007
1004 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:29 pm to
It’s clear you’re more interested in promoting a racist narrative than actually engaging in a meaningful discussion. No one is saying that people’s struggles today are solely because of what happened 150 years ago. What’s being taught is that historical and current inequalities can create challenges that some communities are still working to overcome. The last major civil rights law was passed in 1968, which isn’t that far back but you think and want children to be taught that as soon as slavery ended everyone had the same opportunities. We’re talking about issues that are still very much within living memory.

Suggesting that acknowledging these issues is the same as teaching "whitey’s fault" is not only reductive but also really offensive. The goal is to educate students about the realities of our history and the challenges we face today so that we all can work towards a more just and equitable society. If you can’t see the value in that, maybe it’s time to reflect on why you feel so threatened by the truth.
Posted by tgdawg68
Georgia
Member since Dec 2019
859 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:29 pm to
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So what makes you a fricking expert?



He said he was an accountant. So there you go.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:30 pm to
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Equity deals with access, not outcomes.
No, that would be equality.

Say it, equality. Everyone has access equally, outcomes will vary. It’s called human nature, something you lefties can’t comprehend.
Posted by rwestmore7
Member since Nov 2007
1004 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:30 pm to
I didn't say I'm an expert, but I am engaging in discussions, not just saying No that's not true. You obviously have no additional input from that small brain of yours. Typical deflect then name call.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128848 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:31 pm to
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And using your own religious example, if a school talks about the influence of Catholicism in history, that doesn’t mean they’re telling kids they need to be Catholic.


You’re going to need to read this slowly:

I am not bothered by presenting the ideas of Marxism as a possible framework for interpreting history. Nor would I be bothered by talking about the influence of Marxism on history. That isn’t what is being done with CRT ideas. They’re being taught as fact. “The US is systemically racist.” “You are inescapably racist as a white person.”

Now lie some more.
Posted by rwestmore7
Member since Nov 2007
1004 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:32 pm to
Just because you say it 100 times doesn't make it true - but false narratives are strong on this board.
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
5488 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:35 pm to
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You’re conflating the aim of giving every student a chance to succeed

The debate isn’t over whether every student should have a chance to succeed. It’s about what counts as giving every student a chance to succeed.

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rather striving to remove barriers that unfairly hold certain students back

“What are the barriers?” No one believes the public school system and its employees will objectively investigate that question.

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Helping everyone reach their potential isn’t wrong, and you’re not going to convince me otherwise.

No one is trying to convince you of that.

Look up strawman fallacy, and realize that’s your entire modus operandi.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128848 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:35 pm to
You must have missed this post the first time around. Here it is again for your convenience.

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According to the National Equity Project, “Educational equity means that each child receives what they need to develop to their full academic and social potential.” This process involves “ensuring equally high outcomes” for all students while “removing the predictability of success or failures that… [correlates] with any social or cultural factor,”


LINK

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Several targets under SDG 4 aim for equal outcomes for all population groups, including girls and boys, and women and men, but also other groups.


LINK

Let me know if those links don’t work for you.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:35 pm to
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:44 pm to
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Telling grade school kids that their whiteness is an inescapable problem is infecting them.

Please send me the link for where this has been taught in Louisiana.
Not in Louisiana yet, but it would be if you sick fricks had your way.
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At almost all levels of education, guilt is “in.” Middle-schoolers have been given English assignments that include listening to a woman who said that white people were oppressors, that they needed to “deconstruct” the American system, and that all whites had to acknowledge their “privilege.”

High-schoolers have been taught that the traditional family reinforces racist prejudices. In both public and private schools, far too many families are reporting that children as young as five years old are being taught that America’s culture and institutions are rigged to help whites succeed, that they are victimizers if they’re white, and doomed to failure if they’re Black. These are some of the elements of critical race theory (CRT) that have begun to jump from college campuses to our grade schools—and they are the textbook definition of racism.
LINK
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:54 pm to
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It’s about finding effective solutions that actually make a difference. If you’re open to a real discussion, I’d be interested in hearing your ideas on what you think would work better?
There’s an in depth study of inner city minority schools that was conducted over several years by a black professor that, unfortunately for him, found that poor minority school performance was caused by poor parenting. The professor was told not to release the findings and to shitcan his multi-year study. He released his study anyway despite the warnings from the left and was subsequently banned from academia.

Look it up.

Most rational people know why the educational system in the US is failing minorities, but the left refuses to discuss it much less admit it’s a problem.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 1:06 pm
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63100 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:57 pm to
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I'm happy to discuss the underpinnings of your beliefs at length if you like


Her emotional state?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61468 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:01 pm to
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I'm happy to discuss the underpinnings of your beliefs at length if you like



I’m more interested in discussing your belief that white people are bad and are to blame for very ill in the world. Can you expand on why you believe that?
Posted by rwestmore7
Member since Nov 2007
1004 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:01 pm to
I’m not using a strawman. I’m not misrepresenting anyone’s position to make it easier to argue against. Instead, I’m addressing the real issues that are part of this debate, like the barriers that some students face, such as underfunded schools, outdated resources, and systemic challenges.

On the other hand, I’ve noticed that some arguments against discussing these issues rely on the slippery slope fallacy, the idea that if we start talking about barriers or inequalities, it will inevitably lead to full-blown CRT being taught in schools. While I understand the concern, it’s crucial to recognize that this kind of thinking oversimplifies the situation and assumes an extreme outcome without evidence.

Nobody wants to see their beliefs misrepresented or feel like the conversation is being derailed by fallacies. That’s why it’s important for all of us to stay focused on the actual issues at hand and avoid just regurgitating talking points.
Posted by rwestmore7
Member since Nov 2007
1004 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:04 pm to
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63100 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:06 pm to
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It’s clear that you believe this is a never-ending cycle, but the reality is more nuanced. There’s no one size fits all answer to complex issues like education and equity


You can’t solve social problems simply via “equity” in education…even with your ridiculous definition of equity being that blacks get significantly) unequal education resources.

That’s been proven EVERYWHERE. And it’s basic educational goals like reading and writing where separation occurs. It’s not in advanced studies like quantum mechanics.

The anchor on the legs of the black population is the destruction of the nuclear family and the relative poverty resulting from said social engineering…all by the Democratic Party. It is intentional. And your side did it. And you still support it.

Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61468 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:08 pm to
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As stated, I'm happy to discuss CRT in granular detail to your heart's content.


You post things like *stares dumbly* and “You must be trolling,” and that’s supposed to show your willingness to engage in meaningful discussion?

Seems like you’re playing into the beavis and butthead schtick here because it’s safe and people respond positively to that, rather than engaging in meaningful discussion.
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