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re: Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry bans teaching of critical race theory in schools
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:45 am to rwestmore7
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:45 am to rwestmore7
quote:bullshite, that’s exactly what it is.
Teaching about equity in schools isn’t about pushing for some utopian idea of equal outcomes.
Kids that make poor grades are supposed to have the same “outcomes” in life as kids who make good grades and excel.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 10:47 am
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:47 am to Pettifogger
Actually, I work in accounting. But I understand basic social progress. The fact that equity wasn’t discussed much during the civil rights era isn’t because it’s some radical, Marxist concept, it’s because minorities were still fighting for the most basic rights at the time.
Equity is about recognizing the different starting points people have in life, not pushing for equal outcomes or some Marxist agenda.
Equity is about recognizing the different starting points people have in life, not pushing for equal outcomes or some Marxist agenda.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:49 am to rwestmore7
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Equity is about recognizing the different starting points people have in life, not pushing for equal outcomes or some Marxist agenda.
*dumb stare*
"to each according to his needs" is literal marxism
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:49 am to bhtigerfan
Equity isn’t about guaranteeing an "equal outcome" for everyone, and it’s definitely not about oppressing anyone. It’s about recognizing that not everyone starts from the same place and ensuring people have the support they need to have a fair shot. It’s not a zero-sum game where helping one person means hurting another.
Equality means giving everyone the same resources, but that doesn’t account for the different challenges people face. Equity, on the other hand, aims to provide the resources needed to overcome those challenges, so everyone has a real opportunity to succeed. It’s not about creating an impossible utopia, it's about being realistic and understanding that fairness sometimes requires more than just treating everyone exactly the same.
Equality means giving everyone the same resources, but that doesn’t account for the different challenges people face. Equity, on the other hand, aims to provide the resources needed to overcome those challenges, so everyone has a real opportunity to succeed. It’s not about creating an impossible utopia, it's about being realistic and understanding that fairness sometimes requires more than just treating everyone exactly the same.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:50 am to Pettifogger
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College / Human Resources?
50/50 shot.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:51 am to rwestmore7
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It’s not a zero-sum game where helping one person means hurting another
Maybe you're trolling me
But if you're not, by all means, explain how DEI admissions in college aren't zero-sum
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:51 am to Pettifogger
You’re oversimplifying a complex issue. Equity isn’t just about inputs, it’s about addressing the specific challenges different communities face. If a school isn’t succeeding despite more resources, that’s a sign we need to look deeper at what’s really going on, not necessarily a failure of equity itself.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:53 am to rwestmore7
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If a school isn’t succeeding despite more resources, that’s a sign we need to look deeper at what’s really going on, not necessarily a failure of equity itself.
Could the answer be a failure of the culture and local community the school resides in?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:53 am to bhtigerfan
Oh, well, since you think that’s what equity is about, it must be true, right? The reality is that teaching equity isn’t about guaranteeing everyone the same outcomes, it’s about making sure all kids have the opportunities and resources they need to succeed, regardless of where they start. But if you want to keep oversimplifying it to fit your narrative, go ahead.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:53 am to rwestmore7
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Teaching about equity in schools isn’t about pushing for some utopian idea of equal outcomes.
You: “Guys! That’s a dumb idea that would never work.”
Us: “Correct.”
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:56 am to Pettifogger
Nice try, but we’re not talking about DEI college admissions here. I haven't said anything about agreeing or disagreeing with college admissions. Teaching students about equity in school is about providing a fair education, not about taking opportunities away from anyone. Let’s stick to the actual topic instead of trying to derail the conversation with unrelated arguments.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:57 am to Pettifogger
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Could the answer be a failure of the culture and local community the school resides in?
Sure, but the reason for that failure will always be "systemic racism".
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 10:58 am
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:00 am to rwestmore7
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According to the National Equity Project, “Educational equity means that each child receives what they need to develop to their full academic and social potential.” This process involves “ensuring equally high outcomes” for all students while “removing the predictability of success or failures that… [correlates] with any social or cultural factor,”
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Several targets under SDG 4 aim for equal outcomes for all population groups, including girls and boys, and women and men, but also other groups.
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Once again, you don’t even have a surface level understanding of what you’re advocating for. But you’re as confident as you are wrong. I like it.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:00 am to Pettifogger
It’s possible that challenges in the culture and community are part of the problem, but that’s exactly why equity is important. It’s only been just a little over two generations since school integration. Given that history, it’s our responsibility to ensure that less fortunate students get the extra resources they need to succeed. Blaming culture alone oversimplifies the issue, real solutions require a more comprehensive approach that acknowledges both historical and current inequalities.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:01 am to rwestmore7
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Oh, well, since you think that’s what equity is about, it must be true, right? The reality is that teaching equity isn’t about guaranteeing everyone the same outcomes, it’s about making sure all kids have the opportunities and resources they need to succeed, regardless of where they start.
You keep repeating the same bullshite. This is why we vote to just ban things. People like you aren’t willing to have an honest debate.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:02 am to rwestmore7
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It’s kind of hard to teach about equity when entire populations were still being majorly oppressed.
That's trite but very much on target for those peddling DEI and pretending equity is anything but a cover to allow certain groups (victimhood peddlers) to exercise their own bigotry and racism.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 11:04 am
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:02 am to rwestmore7
The TN tranny manifesto has been released and it’s full of hate for white children. You probably celebrated those white Christian kid’s deaths and will jerk off to the manifesto. Go get your fix
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:07 am to bhtigerfan
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What is your definition of “equity?”
My definition is equal outcome. That is impossible and should never be taught in schools.
Equity isn’t equal outcomes. Equity deals with access, not outcomes.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:08 am to Bourre
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The TN tranny manifesto has been released
This is a thread about the small-government, freedom loving Governor of Louisiana banning an academic theory from being taught in K-12 public schools in Louisiana.
Take your tranny kink somewhere else.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:09 am to the808bass
It’s interesting that you think quoting definitions somehow disproves what I’m saying. Equity in education is about providing each student with the support they need to reach their potential. This doesn’t mean guaranteeing identical outcomes for everyone, but rather striving to remove barriers that unfairly hold certain students back. The goal is to give every student a fair shot, not to enforce some unrealistic standard of equal outcomes across the board.
Your quotes highlight the aspiration to level the playing field, but they don’t change the fact that equity is about fairness and opportunity, not about making everyone the same. You’re conflating the aim of giving every student a chance to succeed with the idea of enforcing equal outcomes, which are two very different things. But I appreciate your confidence in misunderstanding the concept.
I’m not advocating taking anything away from anyone, I'm advocating for providing more support to those who need it. That’s just basic fairness. I’m not naive enough to think we’ll ever achieve identical outcomes or even want that, and I’m certainly not suggesting that everyone should live the same exact life. But aiming to level the playing field so that everyone has a fair shot is exactly what we should be doing as humans and as Americans. Helping everyone reach their potential isn’t wrong, and you’re not going to convince me otherwise.
Your quotes highlight the aspiration to level the playing field, but they don’t change the fact that equity is about fairness and opportunity, not about making everyone the same. You’re conflating the aim of giving every student a chance to succeed with the idea of enforcing equal outcomes, which are two very different things. But I appreciate your confidence in misunderstanding the concept.
I’m not advocating taking anything away from anyone, I'm advocating for providing more support to those who need it. That’s just basic fairness. I’m not naive enough to think we’ll ever achieve identical outcomes or even want that, and I’m certainly not suggesting that everyone should live the same exact life. But aiming to level the playing field so that everyone has a fair shot is exactly what we should be doing as humans and as Americans. Helping everyone reach their potential isn’t wrong, and you’re not going to convince me otherwise.
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