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re: Let me get this straight, the main reason we are doing this is to bring more jobs to US?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:08 am to RollTide4547
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:08 am to RollTide4547
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We spend more money on goods from other countries than those countries spend on our goods. Seems that money is flowing out of America and into other countries. Sounds kinda like a loss.
Those countries are reinvesting back into Wall Street companies. That's why most of the bitching about tariffs are coming from Wall Street. They do not want to see foreign investment in Wall Street companies decrease.
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:09 am to IvoryBillMatt
SFP is batting about .145
You should probably go back to using your a$$ as a place to shove latex into and less as a prognosticator of real world events.
Thanks
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:09 am to Flats
quote:More money going out of our country is winning? A business, family, sports team, farm, etc that spends more than it brings in is "winning" and/or successful?
There are even memes floating around showing the stupidity of this argument
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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If we "Bring the jobs back" and kick out all the illegals and restrict importing cheap labor, we're going to have one hell of a labor issue on our hands
Those are the only people who want those jobs. The "millions and millions" of Mexicans Trump duped MAGA into believing would be deported, won't be.
I don't think folks fully appreciate and understand that "America First" is just a campaign slogan.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:10 am to Topwater Trout
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you think manufacturing jobs are low paying jobs? compared to what exactly? I would think those jobs would come with benefits and be better than working retail or min wage jobs
I'm sure they think manufacturing jobs are just rows of women sitting behind sewing machines and not all the plant baws and trade jobs that pay 6 figures.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:10 am to Average_Comments
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There are lots of jobs out there, just not enough people willing to take them.
I also think we do a terrible job of advertising these unfilled manufacturing jobs. I had a contract position that ended last year and could have used and would have been willing to take an unsexy manufacturing job to pay the bills until another contract position came open but you literally don't see any when you do job searches online.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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It means we're rich as frick with a strong currency. That's winning, in my eyes.
Yes, any positive outcomes should of course be considered prima fascia evidence of the virtue of the system but any negative should be attributed to “poor decisions” of the people working in it.
Thats a convenient paradox you have crafted.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:15 am to Pandy Fackler
quote:Bet the southern slave owners in the early 1800's (aka original democrats) said similar things about black people and picking cotton....
Those are the only people who want those jobs. The "millions and millions" of Mexicans
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:15 am to RollTide4547
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So if the points (dollars) are going more to the other guy than they are us, we are winning?
You realize that international trade is not the only way we get stuff, right? We still domestically produce a LOT of stuff for Americans. I know there is a myth we don't manufacturing anything anymore, but its' not true.
Also, internationally we sell expensive stuff (both objectively but also because USD is expensive). We're buying cheaper stuff (both objectively but also because USD is so strong, which means the selling nation is selling to us in a weaker currency)
If you don't believe me, listen to Thomas Sowell
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It’s pathetic. The very phrase “trade surpluses” gives half a story. There are countries that supply mainly goods, physical goods, and there are other things like services that other countries provide, and the United States gets a lot of money from providing services. To talk about one part of the trading and ignore the other part fails to understand that money is money no matter whether it’s from goods or services.
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For some people, I'm willing to pay more for something if it helps American Citizens.
That's fine, but if we adopt that as a society, we get poorer with a weaker dollar. That's not good for America, including the "working class".
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Or, we can encourage other countries to open their markets fairly to our products
Sure, but that's only going to have a very marginal impact for us, and it won't "Bring manufacturing back".
Most of thes tariffs are 0-5%. It will certainly help a small bit on the margins, but it won't be some major substantive shift.
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In the end, your side lost the election.
There were no true capitalists on the ballot, so my side didn't even have a candidate to lose.
Also, implying I'm a DEM when you're promoting literal DEM policies is funny
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:15 am to geauxcoco
Jobs are not the main goal. It’s getting other countries tariffs lower. Job creation is just a selling point but not the main one. There needs to be reasonable fair trade and our politicians sold us down the river. Time for balance.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:15 am to Robin Masters
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:17 am to geauxcoco
We need to be able to make our own weapons, medicine, chemicals, and computers.
Even if we have robots doing the jobs.
You can't be an strong independent people if you can't handle the basics yourself.
Even if we have robots doing the jobs.
You can't be an strong independent people if you can't handle the basics yourself.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:17 am to Robin Masters
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but any negative should be attributed to “poor decisions” of the people working in it.
Well the data show that.
Lots of economic opportunities, but they choose other paths.
The system I'm promoting, provides those economic opportunities (note: as a capitalist, I've always supported slashing the welfare state, starting with social security)
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:17 am to UptownJoeBrown
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Jobs are not the main goal. It’s getting other countries tariffs lower. Job creation is just a selling point but not the main one. There needs to be reasonable fair trade and our politicians sold us down the river. Time for balance.
We have the best economy in the world. The coutnries who use restrictive trade measures that we don't use suffer because of it. Trump is tanking the economy to fix something that isn't broken.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:18 am to TrueTiger
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You can't be an strong independent people if you can't handle the basics yourself.
That's an issue of government welfare/subsidy and not trade.
Also, the problem is this list has to be defined specifically with defined limits, or else "the basics" will become "infrastructure"
You'll have Gulf shrimpers proclaim they're an industry that requires these handouts.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 10:19 am
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:19 am to RollTide4547
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More money going out of our country is winning?
You have a deficit with your grocery store. Is that a bad thing?
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A business, family, sports team, farm, etc that spends more than it brings in is "winning" and/or successful?
No, but that has nothing to do with trade deficits.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:20 am to TrueTiger
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We need to be able to make our own weapons, medicine, chemicals, and computers.
Even if we have robots doing the jobs.
You can't be an strong independent people if you can't handle the basics yourself.
We are #2 in manufacturing in the world. The #1 country makes our low end products. You are worried about absolutely nothing. Trump is flying the economic plane into the mountain over nonsense.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:If you're right on this, why are you arguing about tariffs? People just buy the American made products and don't have to pay the tariff.
I know there is a myth we don't manufacturing anything anymore, but its' not true.
quote:Spending more money on products produced in other countries makes us richer as a country? Doesn't pass the sniff test.
That's fine, but if we adopt that as a society, we get poorer with a weaker dollar.
quote:I say you're full of dung
Sure, but that's only going to have a very marginal impact for us, and it won't "Bring manufacturing back".
quote:So why has 6+ trillion of investment come into the US since 20 Jan 2025?
Most of thes tariffs are 0-5%. It will certainly help a small bit on the margins, but it won't be some major substantive shift.
quote:I'm not implying anything. I'm flat out stating that you are a libtard.
Also, implying I'm a DEM when you're promoting literal DEM policies is funny
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:22 am to Flats
quote:Rand rarely says dumb things. But among the few he's come up with, that is the dumbest.
You have a deficit with your grocery store. Is that a bad thing?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:23 am to RollTide4547
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If you're right on this, why are you arguing about tariffs?
Have you seen the shite show created by this trade war Trump started?
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People just buy the American made products and don't have to pay the tariff.
That product will be more expensive, taking that money away from more productive areas of US production, which will make us poorer and lower our SOL.
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Spending more money on products produced in other countries makes us richer as a country?
As long as those products are cheaper. That money saved flows to more productive areas of the US economy, and is why we've been so dominant, economically.
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So why has 6+ trillion of investment come into the US since 20 Jan 2025?
It hasn't. Most of that is just promises with nothing binding it.
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I'm flat out stating that you are a libtard.
Based on which "libtard" policy? Capitalism and less government?
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