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re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:43 am to Wolfhound45
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:43 am to Wolfhound45
quote:Much of that "minutia" supports the notion which you are espousing. "Minutia" is often the key to victory.
Focusing on the minutia and missing the big picture.
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Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:45 am to AggieHank86
Newman “that guy is my security guard, he just saved my fricking life”
Cop on video apprehending Newman “bullshite. From mace?”
RIP LEE, gone but not forgotten
Cop on video apprehending Newman “bullshite. From mace?”
RIP LEE, gone but not forgotten
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:46 am to supatigah
Please tell me this is actually what happened in the video
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:47 am to AggieHank86
quote:
It looks to me like about 1/3 second (MAYBE 1/2 second, at most) is missing. Keltner certainly could have moved a step in that time.
It's dang sure enough time, that you could decide not to shoot a guy.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:48 am to Tiguar
quote:So, Helen thought that the "good stuff" would be in the confrontation with BGM, rather than in the interaction with Dolloff and the reporter? So Helen stopped shooting after Keltner distanced himself from BGM? Plausible.
“She” didn’t set it up, but was part of the “setup”.
My guess is that she wasn’t expecting that interaction to end in the moneyshot because, frankly, it probably wasn’t that dramatic or exciting. It wasn’t until halfway through she was like oh shite I better record
That paints HELEN in a bad light, potentially, especially since she seems to have been the media person who was most-involved in shadowing BGM.
But does it not detract from the premise that Dolloff and the reporter were working with Helen to set-up a confrontation with Keltner and to goad Keltner into drawing his concealed weapon?
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:48 am to AggieHank86
You are so full of yourself, it's nauseating.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:52 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:For looking objectively at the data and actually finding measurable information which supports YOUR interpretation of events?
You are so full of yourself
OK.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:53 am to AggieHank86
Correct. The BGM guy was the agitator and they expected anything that was going to happen to probably happen with him involved.
Nothing happened, so everyone walked away disappointed, cameras off.
But Dolloff was not going to be denied that day. He had a cool pistol, tactical red dot sight, and a powerful hatred for nazis. He decided it was gonna happen, then his co conspirators had to scramble to get the script flowing.
All of the above, other than already established facts, is hypothesis of course.
I don’t think the fact she wasn’t video taping Dolloff 24/7 detracts from any theory they are in cahoots. The only thing that could detract is if she had substantial footage of anyone else other than BGM guy or Dollloff
Nothing happened, so everyone walked away disappointed, cameras off.
But Dolloff was not going to be denied that day. He had a cool pistol, tactical red dot sight, and a powerful hatred for nazis. He decided it was gonna happen, then his co conspirators had to scramble to get the script flowing.
All of the above, other than already established facts, is hypothesis of course.
I don’t think the fact she wasn’t video taping Dolloff 24/7 detracts from any theory they are in cahoots. The only thing that could detract is if she had substantial footage of anyone else other than BGM guy or Dollloff
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:56 am to Vacherie Saint
Hank is being more objective today. I’m pretending yesterday didn’t happen and engaging him in good faith.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:00 pm to Tiguar
quote:That is the thing.
All of the above, other than already established facts, is hypothesis of course
With the release of that 70+ image sequence by the Denver Post, we FINALLY have objective data to analyze.
Previously, all ANYONE had was subjective interpretation, colored (markedly) by preconception and bias in many cases.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:01 pm to Toomer Deplorable
The narrative was ready to go.
Someone, I think Dolloff or Newman, said “he had a magazine (or magazines) in his coat.”
Did I hear that correctly?
If so, they did know he was armed from stalking him.
Someone, I think Dolloff or Newman, said “he had a magazine (or magazines) in his coat.”
Did I hear that correctly?
If so, they did know he was armed from stalking him.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:02 pm to AggieHank86
We will have to agree to disagree as to whether or not there was enough information to form a meaningful opinion as to whether or not Dolloff was acting reasonably in the spirit of self defense, assuming we do disagree.
I agree that any conspiracy talk was pure speculation but you can’t really fault that on a message board. Hell, detectives HAVE to speculate to they can see if there’s any facts related to their speculation.
Even I had my doubts as to whether or not this was planned. I genuinely thought the dude just got mad he was slapped and that was the end of it.
I agree that any conspiracy talk was pure speculation but you can’t really fault that on a message board. Hell, detectives HAVE to speculate to they can see if there’s any facts related to their speculation.
Even I had my doubts as to whether or not this was planned. I genuinely thought the dude just got mad he was slapped and that was the end of it.
This post was edited on 10/14/20 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:05 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:
Has Hank returned to scold us for swallowing right wing propaganda?
That troll is simply a digression from an excellent exposition and detailed analysis of how this shooting played out. The important thing here is for all Patriotic counter-protesters to note is that the deadly incidents in Denver, Portland and Kenosha demonstrate that staged confrontations with embedded instigators, assassins and observers/coordinators are a part of the BLM/AntiFa playbook.
After scrolling through these 70 pages or so, no one should have any doubt that Keltner was stalked, isolated, and targeted by Dolloff. Now whether it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law that Dolloff coordinated with these other actors is a matter of legal conjecture and will depend on any corroborating evidence gathered from cell phones and the will of the local DA.
Yet it should be obvious to any sentient person that there was some level of coordination between Dolloff, BGM, the Producer and the Photographer. If any Patriot should attend such demonstrations and an AntiFa/BLM agitator enters into your personal space, it is critically important to remain situationally aware that other actors very likely are involved in a targeted confrontation.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:07 pm to Tiguar
This was one of the things bothering me from the beginning. Well actually 2 things. He turns and looks directly at the camera. That seems odd. It seems like he would look all around him to assess any threats since he just murdered someone.
If I’m the person behind the camera I would also be assessing threats but this time from the shooter. That doesn’t happen at all, which leads me to believe they know they are on the same side and the photographer isn’t concerned for his or her safety.
The counter to my argument is no one in the video really reacts the way I would expect. The older man who tried to break up Lee and BGM guy hardly flinches.
If I’m the person behind the camera I would also be assessing threats but this time from the shooter. That doesn’t happen at all, which leads me to believe they know they are on the same side and the photographer isn’t concerned for his or her safety.
The counter to my argument is no one in the video really reacts the way I would expect. The older man who tried to break up Lee and BGM guy hardly flinches.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:09 pm to Tiguar
quote:
Hank is being more objective today.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:09 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
Focusing on the minutia and missing the big picture.
Such is life.
Rest In Peace Lee. Someone will eventually find justice for you.
I would guess that most people already think justice was served.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:11 pm to the808bass
quote:
Someone, I think Dolloff or Newman, said “he had a magazine (or magazines) in his coat.”
I am not sure who said it but I did hear it as well.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:11 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Dat crawfish doe
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:12 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Someone runs up after the shooting and says “I’m an EMT!” Is this another one of the Antifa plants?
They did the same thing at the Portland shooting. “I’m a medic.”
They did the same thing at the Portland shooting. “I’m a medic.”
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:13 pm to Jp1LSU
quote:
I would guess that most people already think justice was served.
The murderer has been arrested, so the wheels of justice have at least started turning.
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