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re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:36 pm to BarberitosDawg
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:36 pm to BarberitosDawg
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Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:37 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Looks like a stun gun with all that yellow
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:38 pm to AggieHank86
I think it changes it from Murder 1 to Murder 2.
His emotional state/fear/passion made him irrationally interpret the situation and he killed a guy that normally people wouldn’t think is a lethal threat. He still can’t really claim he had reasonable ground for self defense. You can’t shoot people who have a gun and slap you just because they have a gun.
His emotional state/fear/passion made him irrationally interpret the situation and he killed a guy that normally people wouldn’t think is a lethal threat. He still can’t really claim he had reasonable ground for self defense. You can’t shoot people who have a gun and slap you just because they have a gun.
This post was edited on 10/14/20 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:38 pm to roadGator
Photo was enhanced to show the pistol hence the color
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:39 pm to BarberitosDawg
Post the still shot of him reaching for the spray. Everything I saw ran to the contrary and I’d like to know if he was reaching for the spray for sure.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:39 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Gotcha
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:40 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
I see that video but if you look at it from 6 feet away you can see his hand clearly go for the bear spray.
Also the victim was right handed and had a can of bear spray in it. His weapon is on his left side. Meaning he would have to reach all the way around his gut to pull it out...
Think about it...
Also the victim was right handed and had a can of bear spray in it. His weapon is on his left side. Meaning he would have to reach all the way around his gut to pull it out...
Think about it...
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:40 pm to BarberitosDawg
quote:That was perhaps a reasonable supposition 48 hours ago. A lot of video has become available since then, and NO ONE who has studied it still thinks any of this is true.
Doloff lunged for Keltners bear spray and took a slap to the face before he drew his concealed pistol ejected a round of ammo then shot the victim who had backed away from him by this time.
It is like the folks who are STILL asserting that JoJo hurled a Molotov at Rittenhouse, rather than an essentially-empty Ziplock. They just are not keeping-up with the developing facts.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:41 pm to roadGator
Now the person that enhanced those pics claimed that area was intentionally darkened. I do not know if that is the case or not but the claim was made.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:41 pm to AggieHank86
No. Any trained security officer would draw down and demand compliance, not pop off a round into someone’s face. Lethal force must follow a reasonable threat to life.
Isn’t this what we are currently burning America down over?
Isn’t this what we are currently burning America down over?
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:43 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
That’s one fact that I think we’ll learn eventually.
Gun or stun gun that is. Not that it matters since when he was murdered it was still holstered.
Gun or stun gun that is. Not that it matters since when he was murdered it was still holstered.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:44 pm to roadGator
One thing I’ve learned from this is that holding a spray can in the hand you’d use to draw your gun is a lethal tactical error.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:44 pm to Tiguar
Indeed. We are learning from the mistakes of murdered patriots.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:45 pm to BarberitosDawg
Even more reason not to use lethal force. Is Keltner going to drop the mace can, reach across his body, unsnap his holster, draw his weapon and then fire? Was Dollof psychic?
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:45 pm to Vacherie Saint
Is he Doloffs lawyer?
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:46 pm to Vacherie Saint
That’s another good point. Even if he knew he had a gun, he had no way of deholstering it without first dropping the spray can...which he didn’t do until he was dead.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:47 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Doloff lunged for Keltners bear spray and took a slap to the face before he drew his concealed pistol ejected a round of ammo then shot the victim who had backed away from him by this time.
That was perhaps a reasonable supposition 48 hours ago. A lot of video has become available since then, and NO ONE who has studied it still thinks any of this is true.
A) There is zero evidence to come to the conclusion you just laid out. We have no evidence as to Dolloff's actual intent.
B) Whatever Dolloff's actual intent, Keltner's interpretation of his abrupt physical contact may well have assumed intent to go for either mace or even his pistol. Justifying the response.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:49 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Yeah. That’s weird. As a journalist your first instinct is get the story. Within 20ft. you have a producer, a photographer, and a cameraman filming and they all miss the shot. Do I have that right?
Regardless, you can see in this stillshot that Newman is not filming or at least doesn't have the shooting framed
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:51 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I said the same two days ago.
Whatever Dolloff's actual intent, Keltner's interpretation of his abrupt physical contact may well have assumed intent to go for either mace or even his pistol. Justifying the response.
When Dolloff inserted himself between Keltner and the reporter (and at least attempted place his hands on Keltner's chest, perhaps more), Keltner could EASILY have interpreted those actions as aggressive, justifying him in striking Dolloff.
Just another of a series of entirely-reasonable reactions in a stressful situation, all of which snowballed to a tragic result.
Again, sometimes bad things happen without anyone committing a crime. We are all human.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:53 pm to AggieHank86
No crime was committed?
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