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re: LA SC won’t revisit law merging New Orleans court clerks; city to seek SCOTUS review

Posted on 6/27/26 at 7:45 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/27/26 at 7:45 am to
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Only if you ignore the reality of the situation and pretend the issue is only “did the state have the authority to dissolve an office it created 150 years ago?”


So you want us to ignore the reality (which is if the state has the authority to dissolve an office it created 150 years ago) and then pretend the alternative focus is the actual "reality" that we're now ignoring.

This was like last night when I tried to keep a subject on topic and the person who was trying to create a digression accused me of pivoting, b/c it was a pivot (back to the discussion) from the pivot he was trying to create.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
10700 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 7:49 am to
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But I reject your explanation because I hate it and it isn’t fair.


This is the liberal viewpoint in a nutshell. You sound like the wise Latina or DEI Jackson.

We are a republic. Not a democracy. State’s rights bitch.
This post was edited on 6/27/26 at 7:50 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
479549 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 7:49 am to
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We are a Republic. Not a democracy.

We're both.

The legislators who voted to change this system were....elected by the people.
This post was edited on 6/27/26 at 7:50 am
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
10700 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 7:51 am to
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accused me of pivoting, b/c it was a pivot (back to the discussion) from the pivot he was trying to create.


Snip snap
Snip snap
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
10700 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 7:51 am to
You know what I mean. Come on man! I’m supporting you on this one.
Posted by James11111
Walnut Creek, Ca
Member since Jul 2020
5712 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 7:54 am to


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But I reject your explanation because I hate it and it isn’t fair.


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Progressive brain rot in all its glory


I think she is just trolling now.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
62034 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 8:03 am to
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So you want us to ignore the reality (which is if the state has the authority to dissolve an office it created 150 years ago) and then pretend the alternative focus is the actual "reality" that we're now ignoring.


No. I want BOTH issues to be addressed. One has been so let’s address the other.
Posted by WylieTiger
Member since Nov 2006
14714 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 8:05 am to
Ah shite, are you still on this hill?
Posted by soonerinlOUisiana
South of I-10
Member since Aug 2012
2405 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 8:09 am to
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Allowing the state to undermine the outcome of a legitimate local election is absolutely worthy of review.


Please cite the federal statutes, or US constitutional provisions, that were violated.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
62034 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 8:09 am to
I’m sure the Founders heard that a lot.

Some people value local governance.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
69132 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 8:12 am to
It’s interesting that John Weimer dissented. He’s a sharp guy.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 6/27/26 at 8:17 am to
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Thanks for explaining that. But I reject your explanation because I hate it and it isn’t fair.


If there's one thing I love, it's brutally honest self-examination.

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Considering New Orleans is economic driver of the entire state, it is reasonable to request that the SC




The short version is that the courts aren't there to take into account economic drivers as inputs on how the law is applied. Their job is "yes or no, did this violate any laws?" If the answer is "yes" then the follow-up is "which specific laws did it violate and specifically how did it do so?"

Throwing things in like "fair" or economics are to muddy the waters tremendously in an environment where clear waters are the goal. Yes, there are some things in which "fairness" or "equability" are taken into account (divorce, inheritance, child relocation, etc) but this isn't one of those things. It's an elected office and its existence is solely defined by the will of the State, only the desire for who fills it is up to the constituency. This means the person running is there for the office, not that the office is there for the person.

If this is a big enough issue, the legal remedy is for those willing to change it either run for office or campaign the elected officials until they get it changed. The legal argument of "just because I (or 'some of us') want it" doesn't carry water.

This goes for both sides of the aisle. I would love for Trump to be able to overturn the birthright citizenship aspect, but having read the law I don't see a strong avenue for his success on it. So instead of pinning my hopes on what I think will be an unachievable outcome due to the law's framework, I'm looking toward what needs to happen to change the law to achieve the goal.

If you want to change things, you have to recognize and accept when it's concrete that your goal can't be accomplished through the current framework. Too many see the acceptance as "giving up" instead of just changing vectors of approach, so their ego overrides their common sense and then works against them. That's because not accepting it means you aren't adapting and that lack of adapting means you're just going to continue beating your head against the wall and the wall ain't moving.
Posted by Harvey Vortac
MidCity
Member since Aug 2024
423 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 8:19 am to
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a very important precedent. Allowing the state to undermine the outcome of a legitimate local election is absolutely worthy of review.


While the positions reside in New Orleans, these are not municipal positions, these are state positions.

Why was Orleans parish the only parish to have separate positions for these 2 clerkships?
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
7937 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 8:31 am to
If New Orleans is the economic driver of this state then we have serious problems.

Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15759 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 8:45 am to
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Considering New Orleans is economic driver of the entire state,


Delusional

Petrochemical Industry is a way larger share of Louisiana’s economic engine
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
479549 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 8:50 am to
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Delusional

Petrochemical Industry is a way larger share of Louisiana’s economic engine


a. New Orleans MSA has a lot of petrochem

b. New Orleans MSA has the highest GDP of the state (and it isn't particularly close)
Posted by cornerstore
Member since Jul 2024
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Posted on 6/27/26 at 8:53 am to
She may be dumber than Teedy
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
62034 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 9:50 am to
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It's an elected office and its existence is solely defined by the will of the State, only the desire for who fills it is up to the constituency.


It’s all of the context around it. The state held an election, announced the results then passed legislation that nullified the results after the outcome was known. That’s the insane part that keeps being ignored.

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If you want to change things, you have to recognize and accept when it's concrete that your goal can't be accomplished through the current framework.

Are you trying to incite a revolution?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
62034 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 9:53 am to
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Why was Orleans parish the only parish to have separate positions for these 2 clerkships?


Get an ouija board and ask the people who established them in the 1800s.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/27/26 at 10:01 am to
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It’s all of the context around it. The state held an election, announced the results then passed legislation that nullified the results after the outcome was known. That’s the insane part that keeps being ignored.


For the courts on this issue, and that's what we're talking about here, the only context is whether or not a law was broken, and if so then which one.

The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can move toward finding a workable solution. Until then, you're just wasting energy.

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quote:

If you want to change things, you have to recognize and accept when it's concrete that your goal can't be accomplished through the current framework.
Are you trying to incite a revolution?


I am neither John, Paul, George nor Ringo. I'm just presenting options more viable than screaming at a mountain, if that makes me a revolutionary then give me a pony and I'll gladly charge through the countryside shouting, "the rational are coming!"
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