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re: Kids wanting change and socialism questions..

Posted on 10/29/26 at 7:13 pm to
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/29/26 at 7:13 pm to
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We're just gonna ignore inflation apparently


It is at historic norms right now. It is not a problem it's where it's supposed to be.

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The historic average rate of inflation in the United States is about 3.3% per year (measured by the Consumer Price Index from 1914 through 2026).



Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/29/26 at 7:26 pm to
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It seems a shift has taken place in my lifetime in that when people used to talk about the economy they would be talking about GDP and unemployment.


Thats because these are tangibles and are probably pretty good so it won't draw out the negative feeling they are looking for since everyone has a job.

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When people talk about the economy now, they are exclusively talking about inflation and affordability.


They are creating a crisis based subjective measures of how you feel. Newsflash . . . most people's spending habits are always at or above their earnings which makes it easy to create the feeling of a bad economy.
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 10/29/26 at 7:30 pm to
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The same amount of work put in now is worth less than it was 30 years ago and that pisses people off, and they want to see radical change. The older generations can either start helping to fix the current system or see it slip more towards socialism as they die off.


Well, the younger generation is mostly producing shite politicians and their mess won't really hit until after I am dead, so they can frick right off'
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
3393 posts
Posted on 10/29/26 at 7:41 pm to
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The vast, VAST majority of people do not stay in the same income bracket that start off in, with the majority of that group being upwardly mobile throughout their lives. What far too many people fixate on are those who have stayed in the workforce for 15-20 years (or more) and assume they have always made that much. It's horseshite.


This can't be stated enough. They like to always state wages hasn't kept up with inflation while ignoring this part of the equation. They fail to realize that the median wage growth is not individuals its the overall pay charts that are shifting at 3% a year and these numbers exclude discretionary bonuses which is 40% of the workforce.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
3393 posts
Posted on 10/29/26 at 7:50 pm to
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How is it in 50 years, a private high school education has only increased 500% ( $5,500 in 1985 to $28,000 in 2026) a


It didn't. It went up that much in 40 years not 50 years. (I'm just kidding with you) Either way . . . It's because most private school tuition automatically rises 4% per year. At the 50 year mark it will be just under $40,000
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
14614 posts
Posted on 10/29/26 at 7:57 pm to
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You’re close to the target, but not quite over it.

Basically, the status quo isn’t really working. Anyone who is under 40 who has had to look for a job since Covid knows what I am talking about. We have engineers and stem graduates who are struggling to find work amidst rapidly rising costs.

People latch on to change when the status quo isn’t working. They will take the devil they don’t know over the devil they do when they have nothing to lose. The reality is zoomers are working far more hours on average than previous generations at that age yet have significantly less disposable income, primarily due to the rising costs of healthcare, rent, and education. This isn’t a “they just don’t want to work” problem. This is a “why am I working when it isn’t paying me enough to live” problem, or a “why am I trying to find work when there are no jobs” problem.

The key to fighting against this issue isn’t to just make fun of them or support the status quo. The way to fix this is to address their concerns by less drastic measures. Affordability of housing is a huge problem. There are free market based solutions. We should be touting them. The same is true for reforming entitlements and bringing down the costs of healthcare and education. We must counter bad ideas with good ideas or else the worst ideas will win out in the end.

If conditions do not approve, the young men will revolt.


I genuinely think that there is a chance that Democratic Socialist types and America First types end up taking over one of the two parties after the boomers die off. My guess is the GOP is the most ripe to be body snatched since it is so demographically dependent on the boomers. Essentially, they become a sort of institutionalist redux of the New Deal coalition.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
3393 posts
Posted on 10/29/26 at 8:01 pm to
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I genuinely think that there is a chance that Democratic Socialist types


This is already happening and its by design.
Posted by atlgamecockman
Nola
Member since Dec 2012
4770 posts
Posted on 10/29/26 at 10:28 pm to
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Inflation annualized from 2000 to 2026 is 2.67% which is below historical 3%.


That's individual years. Inflation from 1999 to 2026 is 100%. Hence my earlier point that $400 = $800 now.
Posted by fairweatherfans
Member since Sep 2018
3566 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 6:58 am to
I agree with All of your points that are so accurately stated.Indeed those under 40 see, experience a government that economically, does not allow them to not only get ahead but not even make ends meet.
The rich are getting richer and SOME OF the poor are taking advantage of all the Free social programs.

***For the last 4 to 6 admissions:
The Democrats govern on an Extreme
The Republicans govern on the opposite Extreme.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
9058 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 7:00 am to
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Holy frick really? Guess your bluetooth headphones aren't real. Gimme a break. Per chatGPT

Not a single one of those innovations, that you had ChatGPT list, are from socialist countries. Every single one is a market based economy.

How can people, on a political chat board, not know what socialism is?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49620 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 7:05 am to
The young have always been gullible, and socialism is a culture destroyer, but ….

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they just dont want to work like we did.


We also can’t pretend that we haven’t royally fricked up our economy in such a manner that it’s much more difficult for young adults to establish a stable life.

Inflation, especially in education, housing, and medical care is out of control thanks to horrid policies by the Fed for the last three plus decades. So when the very average adult throws out lines like “don’t want to work hard like I did”, it’s comes off as pitiful and out of touch with reality.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49620 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 7:07 am to
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It is at historic norms right now. It is not a problem it's where it's supposed to be.





Great snapshot view. The problem is that inflation compounds. The Trump/Biden 8%+ inflation isn’t reversing
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
487133 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 7:14 am to
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Inflation, especially in education, housing, and medical care is out of control

I was going to point this out with your last post about compounding inflation, but you already touched on it.

Certain QOL/SOL goods/services are WAY above that average inflation rate.

The economy is shaky and has been for a while, and it's been propped up by various AI investment/borrowing/spending. The barrier to entry for good jobs has become insane for your average people. The number of good, professional job opportunities with a future seem to be decreasing. Wages have not risen with inflation, but education/housing have exploded (and god forbid you're unlucky in terms of health).

Doing an ostrich with "day don't work as herd" is just silly.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
3393 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 7:15 am to
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That's individual years. Inflation from 1999 to 2026 is 100%. Hence my earlier point that $400 = $800 now.


Yes, but you are complaining about inflation over a period of time where we have had the least amount inflation in our nation's history. Your "point" about $400=$800 isn't really a point because that's how it supposed to work.
Posted by VooDude
Member since Aug 2017
4176 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 7:39 am to
Didn’t read, but sure all that was beautiful.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
3393 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 8:04 am to
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Great snapshot view. The problem is that inflation compounds. The Trump/Biden 8%+ inflation isn’t reversing


Yeah no shite. Hence "right now", because it's back down to normal rates and I don't have a realistic expectation of deflation. If you take into consideration annualize the inflation rate from 2019 to 2026 it is just below 4%.

In my opinion given the circumstances of 2020-2021 to only have annualized inflation at 1% above historic norms isn't that bad.
Posted by atlgamecockman
Nola
Member since Dec 2012
4770 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 8:51 am to
The guy I was responding to had rent of $400 in 1999. All things equal, should be $800 today. It's $1800. That's the variance. I don't have a problem with normal inflation, I have a problem with people refusing to understand that pricing has outpaced wage growth which is why some folks are struggling. It doesn't matter how hard you work if your dollar can't keep up with the prices charged for goods and services.
Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
12095 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 8:53 am to
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Graduating college in 1980 and having to work 3 jobs to make ends meet was what I had to do. No all the "gotta haves" that we see today from the younger groups. Just went to work and eventually saved enough to live a comfortable life. Today people expect to start off in the comfortable zone without putting in the work or time, which is not how life really works.


Answer for the win.... nice Bsltee. and I'll bet (based on upvotes) many of us experience the same.

The thing about feeling helpless is crap. The problem is many have experienced luxuries to the point they don't feel they can go without. All you have to do is watch Caleb Hammer (Financial Audit) to see most have hundreds in monthly bills, just for NetFlix, YouTube, Apple and the nicest iPhones. Hell, 3 out of 4 of the people I see, have $600 apple watches on their wrists.
Posted by BayouBred1984
Member since Oct 2026
93 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 8:55 am to
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Graduating college in 1980 and having to work 3 jobs to make ends meet was what I had to do. No all the "gotta haves" that we see today from the younger groups. Just went to work and eventually saved enough to live a comfortable life. Today people expect to start off in the comfortable zone without putting in the work or time, which is not how life really works.



Kids today have it even easier. With how ridiculously high minimum wage is now they can go work at McDonald’s part time to pay for their tuition but they refuse to do it. Kids are just lazy entitled brats.
Posted by junkyarddawg3
Metro ATL
Member since Nov 2015
2283 posts
Posted on 10/30/26 at 9:02 am to
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I was watching a video and some college kid was saying that we need socialism. Tax the rich, feed and house the poor. She went on to say that The Government of The United States must fall for things to be better. I thought if the government falls, then so does social security which I paid in all my life like others who did to have a little something. Now these kids want to over throw the government and want socialism to help subsidize them.


Quite the leap you took there.

When college kids start paying their own bills and taxes, raising their own kids, many of them modify their viewpoints.

That stated, I won’t argue that at this current point in time the positive idea of socialism among current youth isn’t elevated a bit.



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