re: Kids wanting change and socialism questions..

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The reality is zoomers are working far more hours on average than previous generations at that age yet have significantly less disposable income

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This simply isn't true.



And...

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Looking at total hours worked per year (Penn World Table / similar comprehensive measures that cover persons engaged in the economy):
1960s: Roughly 1,950–2,000 hours per year.
1970s: Around 1,850–1,930 hours.
1980s–1990s: Generally 1,820–1,880 hours.
Recent years (2020s): Approximately 1,780–1,800 hours.
This represents a decline of roughly 150–200 annual hours (about 8–10%) from the 1960s to today.

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You want to know why kids are supporting socialism? Because false narratives like this are so widely believed.

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No, I said they outpaced inflation and rate of growth between housing and wages are relatively the same

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Let’s go to the tape:

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his wages have likely outpaced housing significantly.

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It would appear you are full of shite

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And the gap between the cost of housing and wages doubled during that same 10 years.

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Wages grew at a higher rate than houses did in that 10 year span. Literally what you said didn’t happen.

Maybe you need to look at your own source. 1965 median income to home price was 34.8%. 1975 it was 35.2%. Thank you for proving me right

It isn’t conjecture. It’s only conjecture because you are incorrect. You are welcome to look up the trends in shelter costs today compared to the average income and inflation prior to and just after WW2. Housing became an investment in the 70’s and 80’s and those trends skyrocketed

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The idea that young people are working longer and harder than anyone ever is so laughably incorrect one has to wonder if whoever asserts it is some kind of troll.

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Yet it is a really, really popular thing to believe.

And not just on the left. On the right too, which is how you know that true conservatism based on maximum freedom and personal responsibility has been all but completely abandoned on the right.

We've succumbed to populism, which is to say that we've succumbed to Victimhood.

And that is a deep pit to dig out of. I ultimately don't think we will.

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And they arent working because either mommy is paying their bills for them or theyre living in a tent somewhere. But it isnt because there arent any jobs. Presumably its because they're too lazy to support themselves.

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There are some legitimate challenges facing Zoomers.

For example, the poster whom I quoted is correct that even new engineering graduates are having a hard time getting hired, and not because there aren't jobs (there are), but because firms want candidates with 15 years of experience so that they don't have to spend time and effort and money training them.

In terms of social lives, feminism has reached a critical mass and crested the hill, and young women are mostly insufferable and uninterested in getting married and participating in a family (then they crest their own personal hill around age 39 and start panicking about dying lonely and alone—which they probably will—and posting videos of themselves crying on TikTok...but I digress).

Marriage has always served to mature men, give them (us) a challenge to rise to, and stabilized their (our) behavior. Without it, the male "middle class" (and I mean that socially, not economically) disappears.

So you have the 10% at the top that modern women are all competing (i.e. spreading their legs) for and a few regular guys who can find regular gals, and then all the rest of the guys who have no chance.

That's a real challenge. It affects ambition with regard to everything from personal appearance/fitness, career, etc.

But two things about that.

First, young people have participated in causing or exacerbating many of the problems they face. For example, for the employment issue above, the reason so many firms want someone they don't have to train is that young people have zero loyalty and they know they will be leaving before they get an ROI on the training. And they are also so soft about things like "work-life balance," and "workplace environment," and generally make themselves into kind of a pain in the arse to have around.

Secondly, EVERY generation has faced some kind of challenge that they overcame. Look at the real home price chart I posted above. Houses cost TWICE what they do now (when assessing them correctly) in the early 80s.

And guess who was buying houses in the early 80s? Boomers.

So this narrative that Zoomers have it tougher than any other generation ever in the history of humankind including cavemen is obviously patently false.

They do have their share of problems. But only their share.

The difference is that people in the 80s bought a house anyway and budgeted around it. Young people now feel entitled to have everything they want (which no generation has ever gotten) and because they can't, it's someone else's fault and the system is "broken."

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Let’s go to the tape: quote: his wages have likely outpaced housing significantly. It would appear you are full of shite

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You are taking a quote out of context. In that instance I'm discussing an individual's wage rate of growth compared to housing rate of growth.

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Wages grew at a higher rate than houses did in that 10 year span. Literally what you said didn’t happen.

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And I didn't dispute this. I acknowledge it and I also mentioned how despite that fact the gap between actual cost of housing and salaries doubled.

The only time in this discussion I talk about actual dollars is the gap between actual wages and actual cost of housing everything else it rate of growth. Try to keep up.