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re: Kari Lake Election Contest TRIAL! Viva & Barnes Live Commentary

Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:41 pm to
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:41 pm to
Her point, which she isn’t a lawyer so she can’t make it - is that the lack of chain of custody creates an inference that votes were intentionally unlawfully inserted.

However - If I’m Captain Longhair - I sit down.

This is wasting time
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:44 pm to
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However - If I’m Captain Longhair - I sit down.






Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:45 pm to
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Her point is we can't know if any were because of chain of custody.


Which creates an inference of shady shite.

Intent is proven most often by circumstantial evidence:

The judge knows that. He didn’t have to go full Clarence Darrow. I’m with you - Know your audience dude
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:48 pm to
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Did the cyber security guy end up explaining that in copying/transposing a 19" image ballot to a 20" ballot for tabulation, the process is done by hand and consequently a vulnerability/opportunity for fraud?


He said concretely that there was absolutely no way the "shrink to fit" option could be done by accident with their setup.

Posted by Ramblin Wreck
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:49 pm to


Russell Brand now testifying
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:49 pm to
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Her point, which she isn’t a lawyer so she can’t make it - is that the lack of chain of custody creates an inference that votes were intentionally unlawfully inserted.



That may be the lawyer point, but the system / control point is the reason chain of custody is required is so that injections into the system cannot happen without visibility.

It's like complaining that there is no evidence of broken glass when the windows themselves have been removed from the building.
Posted by Bulldogblitz
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:50 pm to
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They just guess....


They just keep printing...
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:52 pm to
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Her point, which she isn’t a lawyer so she can’t make it - is that the lack of chain of custody creates an inference that votes were intentionally unlawfully inserted.


I think the theme is that Slingblade was used to say there were ballots counted which were illegal by default due to size. Her testimony sets the timeframe within the process where this could possibly occur (thus giving legitimacy to their existence as being counted).
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:54 pm to
Agreed. Her testimony is also evidence of concealment- which can also create an inference of malign intent.

Posted by Cobra Tate
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:02 pm to
Can anyone breakdown whats going on?
Posted by David_DJS
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:04 pm to
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Can anyone breakdown whats going on?


Hobbs's attorney pronounces correct like "crekt" - which if I was the judge, would be enough for me to order a revote.
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:07 pm to
The first witness was great

He proved that there was some kind of intentional manipulation of the ballots that made them unreadable by the machines, which essentially caused delays

Second witness was great, but I think it went on too long. She talked about the lack of chain of custody- but IMHO the lawyers didn’t connect the dots for her purpose to whether there was intentional delay

The third witness - just ended - he was dressed like Russell Brand and was essentially there to authenticate text messages about the delays / problems experienced by voters

Posted by mmcgrath
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:13 pm to
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Russell Brand now testifying
He looks a lot like the guy doing commentary.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:14 pm to
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David_DJS


Just wanted to say a quick kudos to you. You've been 100% consistent throughout this ordeal. Staying firm to your concerns about chain of custody, but fighting back at some of the other irrational arguments that were being made (which you got a lot of flak for doing).

Posted by LSU2ALA
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:23 pm to
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Second witness was great, but I think it went on too long. She talked about the lack of chain of custody


I agree it makes sense to count the number of ballots you send so they can balance against that number when they get there. Of course, if you are worried about people monkeying with stuff, then they still could even with that. They could remove ballots and replace with ones that you know voted the way you wish. In other words, if you are dealing in hypotheticals, then even knowing the count when they leave won’t matter.

The bigger issue here though is does the county have to count the ballots before they leave the local precinct by law or by approved process. In other words, are they required to do this and didn’t? If so, that would seem to be an issue. If not and they followed their process as laid out before the election, then Lake is fighting uphill. I don’t see any way a judge throws out an election when the county follows their policies and procedures. You may not like them, but that’s a matter of policy and is a political matter and not a judicial one after the fact.
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:29 pm to
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is does the county have to count the ballots before they leave the local precinct by law or by approved process. In other words, are they required to do this and didn’t? If so, that would seem to be an issue.


She did have testimony about how reconciliation is very important but I can’t remember if they produced evidence of the reconciliations or how they were done.

Her larger point was that they produced no chain of custody documents so there was no way to perform the reconciliation
Posted by LSU2ALA
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:38 pm to
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She did have testimony about how reconciliation is very important but I can’t remember if they produced evidence of the reconciliations or how they were done. Her larger point was that they produced no chain of custody documents so there was no way to perform the reconciliation


So is reconciling required by law or by policies and procedures or is it something she says is important but that’s a personal viewpoint?

Do you see what I’m saying? In a perfect world, reconciliation and chain of custody may be great; however, if we are simply dealing with a flawed process here and not a violation of law, no judge is going to get involved in that. The only exception I would think is if this procedure is so over the top bad that he has to step in. If this is the procedure they have used previously though, I would be surprised if that’s the case.
Posted by Cobra Tate
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:42 pm to
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The first witness was great

He proved that there was some kind of intentional manipulation of the ballots that made them unreadable by the machines, which essentially caused delays

Second witness was great, but I think it went on too long. She talked about the lack of chain of custody- but IMHO the lawyers didn’t connect the dots for her purpose to whether there was intentional delay

The third witness - just ended - he was dressed like Russell Brand and was essentially there to authenticate text messages about the delays / problems experienced by voters





So in your expert opinion what do u think the outcome will be?

Just more bs from maricopa?
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:42 pm to
I don’t Know if it’s required by statute. I see What you’re saying.

My problem with all of this - including 2020 - is that nobody ever seems to do reconciliations, and/or ignores the results of reconciliations
Posted by TDTOM
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:43 pm to
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So in your expert opinion what do u think the outcome will be?


We promise to do better next time.
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