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re: Kari Lake Election Contest TRIAL! Viva & Barnes Live Commentary

Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:07 pm to
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:07 pm to
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The question, which he eventually answered begrudgingly, included both 'accidental or intentional


Your attorney actually said 'accidental or inadvertent'. That was a disaster of a cross examination.

The expert witness was testifying to the technical events of the election, and the attorney was trying to get him to admit that even if a huge percentage of ballots were printed in a way that couldn't be read, the manual procedures existed to eventually count the ballots.

Posted by markinkaty
Katy Tx
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:08 pm to
Is Ronna McDaniel there fighting for the Rs?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63075 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:09 pm to
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They are going to say the votes got counted anyway so no harm no foul.




They are going to need to be able to show the chain of custody and accurate counts along the way in order for that to hold up.

They aren't capable of that. They don't know how many ballots were in drawer 3. They don't know how many from drawer 3 made it to the central tabulation center. And, they certainly can't produce the ballots themselves.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63075 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:13 pm to
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You're right, I probably wouldn't drive to another location either. I would drop my ballot into the box on site.



...and if you are a Republican, you'd have about a 7 in 10 chance of your vote being tabulated correctly...and 0 in 10 if your ballot would push the Republican candidate over the top.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63075 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:15 pm to
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For years now I've heard on this board about how voting should not be so easy (when arguing against mail ballots). If they wanted to make sure their vote counted, they could have put their ballot in the box. Not leave and just decide to not vote. How is that the better option?



Only a retard would conclude that the ballot put in the mysterious box would end up being counted when the reason it has to be put in the box to start with is due to intentional misconfiguration of the system.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63075 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:18 pm to
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Unless there is evidence those votes were never counted, it wouldn't change anything. The cyber expert just admitted that the process would be to make a duplicate of that ballot and then tabulate it.


Duplication is a manual process ripe for fraud. The number of ballots duplicated, the original ballots and the new ballots would need to be tightly controlled and reproducible.

Maricopa county can't do that.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
17300 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:23 pm to
Whoever is cross-examining this witness is fricking up his entire case.

Dude - you won and got signature verification dismissed. Why exactly are you opening the door? NEVER OPEN THE DOOR
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60933 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:24 pm to
Explain - I can’t watch

The state is screwing up?
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:25 pm to
Wouldn't it be beneficial to the Lake campaign if he does go down the signature road? Why object?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63075 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:25 pm to
"The term in the law is INVALID ballot".



attorney just choked
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
17300 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:26 pm to
Yes.

The judge dismissed an issue about signature verification, and the state guy opened the door and started asking questions about it. Basically Lake’s lawyer on redirect is going to bring out info that the state doesn’t want in . . .
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
17300 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:27 pm to
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Wouldn't it be beneficial to the Lake campaign if he does go down the signature road? Why object?


To preserve when he starts asking questions about shite that was previously ruled irrelevant
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
17300 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:29 pm to
Ms Honey just shoved the shite back up the state lawyer’s arse
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26833 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:32 pm to
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Ms Honey just shoved the shite back up the state lawyer’s arse



She made her point and he made his point.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
17300 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:33 pm to
He had no point other than she only had 50 ballots because they deliberately provided no information
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:36 pm to
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He had no point other than she only had 50 ballots because they deliberately provided no information



His point was she has zero evidence of any ballots being inserted into the ballot stream.

Her point is we can't know if any were because of chain of custody.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:37 pm to
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His point was she has zero evidence of any ballots being inserted into the ballot stream. Her point is we can't know if any were because of chain of custody


Because of broken chain of custody.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:39 pm to
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She made her point and he made his point.

His point was idiotic. Of course there is no evidence because they broke the law. He even conceded that there were roughly 50 ballots inserted illegally.
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
4234 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:40 pm to
Let's say the judge has the authority to throw the election results out and a new election must be held. Would this end up being disappointing like the Georgia senate runoff and Hobbs still end up with more votes than Lake?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22764 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 4:41 pm to
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He even conceded that there were roughly 50 ballots inserted illegally.

What was the evidence? I mean, what's the evidence that it wasn't more than that? The whole point here is nobody can verify that some number of ballots were added, or that some number of ballots were removed. When there's an absence of credible chain of custody, you end up with loads of credible questions.
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