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re: It's on in Iran. I pray the Iranian citizens are able to live free when this ends.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 7:48 am to Reagan80
Posted on 1/15/26 at 7:48 am to Reagan80
That's the convenient canard that people like to bandy about. Carter kept aid and activity up to the Shah until January 1979 when Iranian Air Force units and Army units began to mutiny/ side with the protestors. At that point the Shah was done. Plus he was dying of cancer.
But Carter DID NOT abandon the Shah or Iran until US Intel community said he was done. At worst he expressed concern about human rights abuses but never withheld a dollar or any material aid.
Then he opened up dialogue with Khomeini because he was directing all the action and the US had significant investment there.....and now the Shah had lost control.
But Carter DID NOT abandon the Shah or Iran until US Intel community said he was done. At worst he expressed concern about human rights abuses but never withheld a dollar or any material aid.
Then he opened up dialogue with Khomeini because he was directing all the action and the US had significant investment there.....and now the Shah had lost control.
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Posted on 1/15/26 at 7:50 am to KiwiHead
The Iranian citizenry are unarmed. The mullahs want power and will kill anyone who threatens that power. They are already moving their wealth out of the country that they "stole" from their unarmed citizenry.
The US will help those who want freedom and will accept, in return for that help, black gold, Texas tea...... until paid in full.
The US will help those who want freedom and will accept, in return for that help, black gold, Texas tea...... until paid in full.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:06 am to Timeoday
I'm all for shipping arms to them. But beyond that we should not involve ourselves in any meaningful way like using our military.
We don't know who we are dealing with on the other side. Could be our friends, could be something else and even then we should stay away and be mostly spectators.
Do you know who the main people are that are running the protests and revolution? US Intel apparently does not either.
We don't know who we are dealing with on the other side. Could be our friends, could be something else and even then we should stay away and be mostly spectators.
Do you know who the main people are that are running the protests and revolution? US Intel apparently does not either.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:11 am to KiwiHead
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I'm all for shipping arms to them.
Who?
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We don't know who we are dealing with
So you wanna ship weapons, and maybe just label them "for honest citizens only"
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:15 am to Pettifogger
See Iran 1977
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:20 am to ChatGPT of LA
Therein lies the problem with getting involved there at this time. But shipping a few guns into the Kurdish areas in the Northwest is pretty low risk. We know the Kurds. We don't know anyone else at this point.
I certainly would not be shipping Stingers or Javelins until we know the players. Bur Some ARs and some ammo.....real low risk at this time. Ship them to Northern Iraq and smuggle across the border and see who is asking.
I certainly would not be shipping Stingers or Javelins until we know the players. Bur Some ARs and some ammo.....real low risk at this time. Ship them to Northern Iraq and smuggle across the border and see who is asking.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:24 am to Timeoday
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Reports of Chinese jets in the air.
This should say Iranian piolted Chinese jets.
Ira does jot have its own jets, they purchase from other countries
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:57 am to Timeoday
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Exactly. We are simply removing a burden from the people who want to live live and flourish.
We will do whatever Netanyahu wants us to do.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:57 am to Timeoday
sorry, nm
Posted on 1/15/26 at 9:09 am to KiwiHead
I was alive during that time. I am fully aware of what. Carter and his NSC determined that the Shah could not survive the unrest and Carter sent a general to Iran to tell the military to stand down. He then facilitated Khomeini back to Iran.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 9:51 am to Reagan80
I dont know anything about that revolution. So we facilitated the Ayatollah into power?
Posted on 1/15/26 at 10:49 am to Reagan80
Not really facilitated. Khomeini was THE player at the time and they had no one else to deal with. Certainly not Bakhtiar, he was an emasculated PM that did not have any real public support. Khomeini was coming back whether we wanted him to or not at the time. The Shah was toast. Shah missed his opportunity a few years before that whe the Iraqis offered to handle him. After that he went to France.
Huyser was there and while there discovered that the Iranian air force had been totally infiltrated as were some army units that were jumping ship and siding with the demonstrations. But really by the time Huyser showed up it was too late. Most American businesses like TRW had bugged out that summer ......as they were CIA types and saw the writing on the wall especially in Tehran and after what happened in Abadan.
You should go back and read the history between the Shah and Khomeini. It's fascinating in that Khomeini NEVER denied what he wanted and the Shah tried to placate him thinking that if he showed restraint he could survive. Khomeini and his supporters would just up the activity as they smelled more weakness. Abadan is a great example. They were able to blame the Shah for the theater massacre when just about everyone KNEW it was Khomeini's supporters who locked the doors and set fire to the place. But the Shah was not popular there as he had not paid a lot of the oil workers there for a few months.
Huyser was there and while there discovered that the Iranian air force had been totally infiltrated as were some army units that were jumping ship and siding with the demonstrations. But really by the time Huyser showed up it was too late. Most American businesses like TRW had bugged out that summer ......as they were CIA types and saw the writing on the wall especially in Tehran and after what happened in Abadan.
You should go back and read the history between the Shah and Khomeini. It's fascinating in that Khomeini NEVER denied what he wanted and the Shah tried to placate him thinking that if he showed restraint he could survive. Khomeini and his supporters would just up the activity as they smelled more weakness. Abadan is a great example. They were able to blame the Shah for the theater massacre when just about everyone KNEW it was Khomeini's supporters who locked the doors and set fire to the place. But the Shah was not popular there as he had not paid a lot of the oil workers there for a few months.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 10:57 am to Timeoday
Glenn Beck said when Iran falls, all the atrocities from Muslims will be shown to the world.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 11:06 am to thermal9221
No. When it was apparent that he was THE player in January / February 1979 Carter and the CIA as well as NSA determined that we should open dialogue with him if only to protect Americans and American interests there. Shah was toast by this time and on his way to Egypt.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 11:07 am to Timeoday
As of noon eastern time today, there is more military airplane flights in the air over the United States that I’ve ever seen.
Military flights
Tap the “U” icon upper right and see military only.
Military flights
Tap the “U” icon upper right and see military only.
This post was edited on 1/15/26 at 11:08 am
Posted on 1/15/26 at 11:11 am to VooDude
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If I was an Iranian pilot; my best bet would be to fly a malfunctioning F4.
It's OK. They have all seen Top Gun 2 and know what 80s era fighters can do with the right guy in "the box".
Posted on 1/15/26 at 11:14 am to CalTiger53
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I hope so. Iranian people are more pro US than any country in the world including Israel.
A lot of truth here. They are oppressed. They hate their gov't in large part.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 12:09 pm to Timeoday
Neither China nor Russia CAN or WILL do shite if we strike or go into Iran.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 12:11 pm to KiwiHead
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We don't know who we are dealing with on the other side.
They have no idea who they are dealing with on this side. Venezueala was patty cakes, just so you know!!
Posted on 1/15/26 at 12:20 pm to Tom288
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Neither China nor Russia CAN or WILL do shite if we strike or go into Iran.
You are exactly right. They want stability in that region as well.
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