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Is h1b good for America?
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:07 am
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:07 am
I see a lot of laid off people worried about h1b, why don’t they just go improve their own country if this one doesn’t want them?
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:09 am to fareplay
Could you be slightly less vague?
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What does H-1B visa mean?
The H-1B is a temporary (nonimmigrant) visa category that allows employers to petition for highly educated foreign professionals to work in “specialty occupations” that require at least a bachelor's degree or the equivalent.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:09 am to fareplay
Easy rule:
If someone in the government tells you something will be good, you can bet the house that it won't be
If someone in the government tells you something will be good, you can bet the house that it won't be
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 9:11 am
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:11 am to fareplay
Is a visa like a Louisiana purchase card?
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:15 am to ShoeBang
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Easy rule: If someone in the government tells you something will be good, you can bet the house that it won't be
Yeah government always lies. If you’re pregnant, smoke all the cigs you want and get drunk every night. The kid will be fine.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:23 am to fareplay
H1B is bad for America. It allows you to bring in foreigners to work for less than Americans normally would. Tech companies claim they need it but it is just so they can pay less.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:24 am to AlextheBodacious
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eah government always lies. If you’re pregnant, smoke all the cigs you want and get drunk every night. The kid will be fine.
Let's go a few years and see who has a better batting average over time shall we?
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:24 am to fareplay
It’s a very complicated issue with no correct answer
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:26 am to chryso
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It allows you to bring in foreigners to work for less than Americans normally would. Tech companies claim they need it but it is just so they can pay less.
Lots of Abhays and Ranjiits getting paid 40k for 90k jobs out there.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:27 am to fareplay
It is not good when they replace entire IT departments with H1B visa holders like Disney.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:29 am to ShoeBang
quote:this is what libertarians want
Lots of Abhays and Ranjiits getting paid 40k for 90k jobs out there.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:34 am to bad93ex
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It is not good when they replace entire IT departments with H1B visa holders like Disney.
this.
i work in IT but as a network engineer. one of the products i support replaced all american based support with h1bs and overseas indian call centers and it took a huge hit in quality. whenever i escalate something to tier 2 or 3, it's always an American (of any race) that is more knowledgeable.
the tier 1 guys i work with are just looking at knowledge base articles and telling me to do things i've already done.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:35 am to AlextheBodacious
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Yeah government always lies. If you’re pregnant, smoke all the cigs you want and get drunk every night. The kid will be fine.
Anyone with a lick of common sense knows cigarettes and alcohol aren't good for a fetus.
People with common sense doesn't need Daddy Government to tell them that.
Let me guess, you are over 70 and vote Democrat.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:41 am to bad93ex
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It is not good when they replace entire IT departments with H1B visa holders like Disney.
I keep seeing tv ads for Target's new Consumer cellular cell phone system. They very proudly proclaim their "100% U.S. based customer service". That's a pretty direct shot at WalMart's StraightTalk and I hope it becomes a trend.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:41 am to fareplay
H1B can be good to attract and retain people with specific skills that are hard to find. Think of emerging technologies where there aren't many experts yet, or programs out there to widely teach a skill.
As other mentioned, they are often used to hire workers at a lower wage than an American would accept for the same position.
The H1B recipient is also stuck in a difficult situation. If they leave their current position for a better paying job, that company has to be willing to take on the HR and legal burden of transferring their H1B. The job also has to be a similar job that is considered in short supply. The H1B recipient can also lose their spot in line for a green card. I have had several Indian coworkers that stayed in position far too long because of this.
As other mentioned, they are often used to hire workers at a lower wage than an American would accept for the same position.
The H1B recipient is also stuck in a difficult situation. If they leave their current position for a better paying job, that company has to be willing to take on the HR and legal burden of transferring their H1B. The job also has to be a similar job that is considered in short supply. The H1B recipient can also lose their spot in line for a green card. I have had several Indian coworkers that stayed in position far too long because of this.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:43 am to fareplay
H1B was the tool that allowed companies to outsource IT jobs to shitty Indian companies with shitty engineers with fake certifications.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:48 am to MamouTiger65
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As other mentioned, they are often used to hire workers at a lower wage than an American would accept for the same position.
What's funny about this strategy is that it more often than not bites them in the arse. Body shops like Tata Consulting or Wipro believe in quantity over quality. Their pitch is if you need 30 guys in a helpdesk, you'll get 30 guys. The level of expertise and knowledge on the other hand...hey that doesn't matter because you're paying pennies on the dollar.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:01 am to fareplay
It’s good for Tigerdroppings. It allows Chicken to legally hire staff on the cheap.
If H1B goes away, we’ll all have to pay to post here so Chicken can maintain his current profit margins.
If H1B goes away, we’ll all have to pay to post here so Chicken can maintain his current profit margins.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 10:03 am
Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:04 am to fareplay
I don't think it is. I'd even go so far as to say we need something like the Jones Act for some of the main fields that use H-1B workers.
My reasons are, first, that many of the software jobs that H-1B holders work in are among the last jobs where an American can earn a middle-class income without a professional degree. Do we want to further eviscerate our middle class?
Second, I just don't think the H-1B workers are all that good. There are cultural and language barriers. There is the fact that a US degree is just better than a third world degree. There are also more subtle issues around motivation. The motivation becomes to drag out work interminably so this person can stay in the country. Changing jobs is not as easy for these people, so they bring a different (and destructive) attitude to their work.
Finally, I would point out that the people asking for more H-1Bs are the ideological allies of the people who say that we need Mexicans to come in and do whatever they do and the ideological heirs to the people who wouldn't let us pick our own cotton. Ask yourself whether those people are or were benevolent.
My reasons are, first, that many of the software jobs that H-1B holders work in are among the last jobs where an American can earn a middle-class income without a professional degree. Do we want to further eviscerate our middle class?
Second, I just don't think the H-1B workers are all that good. There are cultural and language barriers. There is the fact that a US degree is just better than a third world degree. There are also more subtle issues around motivation. The motivation becomes to drag out work interminably so this person can stay in the country. Changing jobs is not as easy for these people, so they bring a different (and destructive) attitude to their work.
Finally, I would point out that the people asking for more H-1Bs are the ideological allies of the people who say that we need Mexicans to come in and do whatever they do and the ideological heirs to the people who wouldn't let us pick our own cotton. Ask yourself whether those people are or were benevolent.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:06 am to fareplay
It gives employers a base of employees who have even less leverage, so it's good for them. But I suspect it pushes wages down across the board in this country, which I can't see being good for the economy long term.
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