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re: Is h1b good for America?
Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:08 am to ShoeBang
Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:08 am to ShoeBang
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Lots of Abhays and Ranjiits getting paid 40k for 90k jobs out there.
I don't think they are getting paid significantly under-market. It really is hard finding database administrators, software developers, etc., and the "need" for the H-1B is often not about finding someone cheap, it's about finding anyone at all.
That said, I think an empty seat is better than a seat with an H-1B holder most of the time. Managers are pressured to fill seats, though, by stupid companies.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 10:09 am
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:18 am to ShoeBang
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Let's go a few years and see who has a better batting average over time shall we?
Those odds won’t be favorable enough for me to bet my house.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:47 am to fareplay
My country is a corrupt hellscape and I earn about 25 times more here than I would there, for the same workload. Going back to improve my home country isn't a realistic option.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:23 am to fareplay
Maybe if Americans would quit be lazy and feel they are entitled to high wages and a great easy life we wouldn't have this problem. American labor sucks for the most part.
People want to work and improve there life while also keeping a company profitable. I say come on over. If you don't like quit your whining and take the job
People want to work and improve there life while also keeping a company profitable. I say come on over. If you don't like quit your whining and take the job
Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:31 am to fareplay
Is the program good? Sure.
Is it abused? Abso-fricking-lutely.
Come to Alpharetta, Georgia, and you'll see that in just 10 years, they have grown from a % point to almost 10% here in Alpha/Milton/Johns Creek. Call Centers are driving this, but tech in general is abusing this and bringing them in to work for pennies on the dollar.
Some schools have been overwhelmed. While they end up performing well, on average, they don't come here speaking English, and in fact come here speaking as many as 11 different dialects. They fill up pre-k programs, taking them from citizens. Then, they bail once the free program is over, leaving Kindergarten staffing in limbo.
Abuse is the issue, not the people taking advantage of it. I worry greatly about this, with nieces and nephews in college and 3 kids of my own that may potentially have to compete for 50 cents on the dollar jobs. There is zero fricking chance we couldn't fill these jobs without resorting to importing slave labor.
Is it abused? Abso-fricking-lutely.
Come to Alpharetta, Georgia, and you'll see that in just 10 years, they have grown from a % point to almost 10% here in Alpha/Milton/Johns Creek. Call Centers are driving this, but tech in general is abusing this and bringing them in to work for pennies on the dollar.
Some schools have been overwhelmed. While they end up performing well, on average, they don't come here speaking English, and in fact come here speaking as many as 11 different dialects. They fill up pre-k programs, taking them from citizens. Then, they bail once the free program is over, leaving Kindergarten staffing in limbo.
Abuse is the issue, not the people taking advantage of it. I worry greatly about this, with nieces and nephews in college and 3 kids of my own that may potentially have to compete for 50 cents on the dollar jobs. There is zero fricking chance we couldn't fill these jobs without resorting to importing slave labor.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:36 am to chryso
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H1B is bad for America. It allows you to bring in foreigners to work for less than Americans normally would. Tech companies claim they need it but it is just so they can pay less.
Not true!!!
I was an H-1B visa beneficiary after graduating college in the USA.
I was paid what any other America would have been paid and the business has to put an add on the paper for the job opening to give Americans a chance to apply for that job, best qualified got the job!
That was the case back in ‘94 when I graduated from college.
I have no clue if that happens today or not (paying less to qualified foreigners) but I doubt it!!
You can certainly argue the merit if it’s bad for the country or not, and I certainly understand if some people are against it! It’s totally understandable!!
I am now a proud American citizen that came here legally at age 14 and remained legal until I became an American citizen. For the record, I loath illegal immigrants!!
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:22 pm to fareplay
It's bad for both countries. Lose/Lose
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:25 pm to Porpus
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I don't think they are getting paid significantly under-market.
"Some" companies are definitely are paying under-market, but when the market is dominated by borderline slave labor, the market is set by that rate.
I can't fricking stand any company that hires an ESL speaker to handle any USA customer interaction just to save a few bucks. It tells me what I need to know about that company.
I'm talking about the legions of imported labor, not the truly valuable commodities that also exist.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:25 pm to FilingCabinetBill
Yep.
White America is pretty much toast. The demographics aren't favorable and white people are getting softer and lazier.
Hire Eastern Europeans through J1 or H1B programs and they'll work circles around your native talent.
White America is pretty much toast. The demographics aren't favorable and white people are getting softer and lazier.
Hire Eastern Europeans through J1 or H1B programs and they'll work circles around your native talent.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:28 pm to MamouTiger65
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H1B can be good to attract and retain people with specific skills that are hard to find.
LOL. We went to the moon, but we need people from overseas to program twatter.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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White America is pretty much toast. The demographics aren't favorable and white people are getting softer and lazier.
I wonder why.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:36 pm to Mo Jeaux
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LOL. We went to the moon, but we need people from overseas to program twatter.
Exactly. We aren't always getting the best and brightest, just the lowest bidders.
I worked for a place that leveraged the frick out of the program. They gamed the system with job titles. You can recruit people from any shithole country with $40k, and it is a windfall to them. These cats would show up, share an apartment with several others, then eventually bring their families over. Anyone pretending this isn't happening simply isn't looking. Hiring managers aren't even looking for Americans, and if they hired one, I can't see how that would last for very long unless they were REALLLLY into the culture of the dominant race in that department.
I can't blame people for being willing to leave. Spend 5 seconds in one of these places and you wonder why suicide rates aren't 1000x higher. What a misery.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 1:28 pm to AlextheBodacious
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Yeah government always lies
Let's see
1) masks don't work
2) masks do work
3) the vaccine prevents you from getting covid.
4) the vaccine prevents you from spreading covid
5) the vaccine makes your covid symptoms less
6) the border is secure
7) we don't have 8 billion to protect our southern border, but we do have 200 billion to protect Ukraine's border.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:39 pm to bad93ex
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It is not good when they replace entire IT departments with H1B visa holders like Disney.
Correctamundo.
That's why I will NEVER go to Disney World or subscribe to Disney+. NEVER
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:59 pm to fareplay
CVS is a big fan of hiring H1B pharmacists
Posted on 2/15/23 at 3:04 pm to chryso
I'm all for LEGAL immigration and this is a form of that. But with anything, it has to be managed the right way.
Anybody and everybody shouldnt be eligible for an H1B. It needs to be a selective process.
Anybody and everybody shouldnt be eligible for an H1B. It needs to be a selective process.
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