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re: Iran wouldn’t negotiate in good faith with a loaded gun pointed at their head

Posted on 2/28/26 at 11:34 am to
Posted by Stidham8
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 11:34 am to
Didn’t realize we’d declared war on Romania. Thought you were referring to Japan.
Posted by csorre1
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 11:38 am to
We declared war on 6 countries in WWII including Japan, Germany, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 12:01 pm to
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I don't know this for fact, but I find it hard to believe Saudi is responsible for more terrorism than Iran.


It is simply a numbers game: globally, nearly 90% of the world’s 2 billion Muslims identify as Sunni Muslims. Saudi Arabia bankrolls charitable and ideological networks that touch almost every Sunni-majority region.

I certainly don’t mean to downplay Iran’s sponsorship of terrorism; yet that threat is primarily regional. Saudi-backed Wahhabi networks have a global reach, funding extremist networks from South Asia to Africa.

This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 12:02 pm
Posted by Raz
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 12:09 pm to
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Iran wouldn’t negotiate in good faith with a loaded gun pointed at their head


The Americans and the Omanis both said negotiations were going well. The Omani mediators said Iran had agreed to turn over all enriched uranium to the US, zero accumulation, and allow IAEA inspectors back in to verify everything.

This is the second time in less than a year that we attacked the other party in the midst of negotiations that both sides said were going well.

We are the ones that don't negotiate in good faith.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 12:40 pm to
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No, they wouldn't. Those Islamist are radicals and a death cult. Many folks attempt to understand them from a Western perspective, which doesn't work.

People like ourselves have been trying to get other people to understand this for years, and thankfully I believe people are waking up and seeing it.

Their "holy text" quite literally commands them to murder their perceived enemies. For the "pRoVe iT tO Me, wHeRe dOeS tEh qArAn sAy ThAt?" crowd, look it up for yourselves, because I'm tired of copy/pasting it for people to not reply. Do a quick search of "qaran scripture, kill them wherever you find them."

And not only are they commanded to kill us, but they have a separate tenet called "taqiyyah" that allows them to lie about their intentions and misrepresent their civilization to promote its spread, and their ultimate honor is to be martyred in combat for their cause. It's a radicalization that the typical western mind cannot fathom, but everyone needs to understand it, and quickly, because they're here in the US, in ev every State and City.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 12:46 pm to
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Do a quick search of "qaran scripture, kill them wherever you find them."



Does that include the golf course?

Somebody needs to send Trump the memo.



Posted by omegaman66
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 12:47 pm to
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Iran is overwhelmingly a majority Muslim nation.


Iran is 99% muslim if you ask them while a gun is pointed to their head. That is why the figures say they are Muslim. Because to not be means death.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 1:03 pm to
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Venezuela, Iran, Cuba.

And Syria
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 1:04 pm to
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Iran is 99% muslim if you ask them while a gun is pointed to their head.

Exactly! That is a hugely secular population, especially after 49 years of rule by those nutballs.
This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 1:05 pm
Posted by LSUHeights
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 1:09 pm to
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Iran wouldn’t negotiate in good faith with a loaded gun pointed at their head


But Israel and we negotiated in good faith when Israel killed the negotiators DURING the negotiations TWICE?

You know, Israel has Nukes with stolen technology from US and is not apart of any Nuclear Arms coalition. No inspections, no treaties, nothing....who the hell would be an ally or negotiate with a rogue nation like that.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 1:22 pm to
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Iran is 99% muslim if you ask them while a gun is pointed to their head. That is why the figures say they are Muslim. Because to not be means death.


This is a variation of the ‘No True Scotsman’ fallacy topped with a kufi.

This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 1:33 pm
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 1:41 pm to
47 year dictatorship taken down by 47.




* Get wrecked, mullah lovers!
This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 1:47 pm
Posted by TigerAxeOK
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 7:51 pm to
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Does that include the golf course?

I really don't care about doing business with Qatar and maintaining diplomatic relations. That's a necessity.

As long as they keep their ideology there, it's fine with me, they can be under Sharia Law all they want.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:28 am to
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As long as they keep their ideology there, it's fine with me, they can be under Sharia Law all they want.



That is how I feel about all of Islam, Iran included. Yet again, the core problem is that Saudi Arabia has long promoted its own strain of radical Islam, making it difficult to frame the region’s instability as a simple contest between evil Iran and the rest of the peace-loving Middle East.

The sectarian rivalries in the Middle East indeed are not just between Sunni and Shia Muslims; it also exists between Sunni nations. Saudi Arabia is at odd with Turkey over Ankara’s engagement with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Riyadh views the Muslim Brotherhood as an existential threat to Saudi Arabia’s monarchical rule. Saudi Arabia and Qatar have likewise been at odd over Doha’s engagement with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates also have strained diplomatic relationships over their competing strategic agenda in Yemen. Similarly, the U.A.E. and Qatar have a strained relationship because of their differing visions for regional stability.

Against this convoluted backdrop of shifting alliances and competing interests, it is misguided for the United States to keep inserting itself as an arbiter capable of picking winners and losers in these ancient sectarian and ideological struggles between medieval theocracies and authoritarian regimes. As the old saying goes, doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results is the very definition of insanity.

All the more reason to extract ourselves militarily from the Middle East. Let’s leave the sandpit of vipers once and for all.



Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:32 am to
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Iran wouldn’t negotiate in good faith with a loaded gun pointed at their head
"Death to America," "Death to Israel" probably should have used a little more foresight.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:32 am to
You are dumb.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:35 am to
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President Gavin starts importing Iranian “refugees” by the millions.


Los Angeles is already full of them. They are already here.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:37 am to
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This isn’t the way democracies go to war. This is the way dictators go to war.
Do tell. How do democracies go to war?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:40 am to
All of what you stated is true except:

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All the more reason to extract ourselves militarily from the Middle East.


I’m of the opinion that we NEED to be there (via bases) for those very reasons.

Whether we like it or not, the Middle East is tied to the U.S. / Global economy. As such, we have a vested interest in attempting to manage those circumstances.

With Trump we have “Big Stick” diplomacy (peace through strength). While not ideal, it can keep people in check. In the short term, fear can be a powerful motivator. With a long term view, peace has to be the goal. Trump has pretty much put that out there too. Time will tell on how this plays out, but I can’t fault the “logic.”
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:41 am to
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Do tell. How do democracies go to war?


By inviting in invaders and not firing a shot.

ETA - the U.S. is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy per se. We have Democratic principles, but a different structure. I know that you know this, but CP Dems to be quite ignorant.
This post was edited on 3/1/26 at 6:43 am
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