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re: Iran Threatens No More Negotiations Closure of SoH Over Israeli Attacks on Lebanon
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:04 pm to jammajin
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:04 pm to jammajin
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And yet the left does everything they can to prevent the US from producing its own and spends trillions on wind and solar
Good to see you could find time with all your emotional flailing to find relevant, rational responses to post.
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I’ve been disappointed in you ever since I’ve found your global economy shite posting isn’t even original thinking on your part.
wut
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It’s just in the daily shot posting email suggestions you got
All this posting and you don’t even think for yourself.
wut
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:10 pm to jammajin
fricking clowns yammering about bass boats and what about!
Insurance caused the biggest part of the shutdown.
Lloyds of London.
Insurance caused the biggest part of the shutdown.
Lloyds of London.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If it could, then why were we unable to get shipping via the SOH back to 2025 levels?
We could easily open the strait. But there's risk involved. Even if 10,000 vessels pass incident free, all it takes is one tanker or warship to be hit for people to freak out and lose their shite. The juice hasnt been worth the squeeze, imo. But make no mistake, if the US wants a ship to pass, that ship will pass.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:29 pm to AlterEd
I'm happy Iran can basically dictate what they want to us now. This is cool
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:44 pm to deuceiswild
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We could easily open the strait. But there's risk involved. Even if 10,000 vessels pass incident free, all it takes is one tanker or warship to be hit for people to freak out and lose their shite. The juice hasnt been worth the squeeze,
You're making my point for me
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What were those political issues?
Issue, singular. American voters don't have the stomach to do what it would take to secure the strait. Our military could do it, zero question.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:51 pm to AlterEd
It would be excellent if Iran ruined this very favorable deal they've been given.
Send pamphlets to the citizens and then go to work if they can't take this partial W.
Send pamphlets to the citizens and then go to work if they can't take this partial W.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:53 pm to LARancher1991
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Iran can close the Strait with what? I'm not a fan at all of this MOU but to think Iran can prevent the US Navy from keeping the strait open is just dumb
I’m glad you pulled through!
Congrats on getting out of a 3 month coma yesterday
Posted on 6/18/26 at 6:36 pm to geoag58
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Averaging sixty posts a day, everyday, for the last 22 1/2 years on this website
FIFY
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:09 pm to jammajin
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what does this have to do with controlling the strait and with Iran having the capability to bring the global economy to its knees? Weren’t all these things true 4 months ago?
Together those missle and drone complexes form Iran's part of this Mutually Assured Destruction scenario. We can continue bomb the shite out of them and they will retaliate, as they have been, by hitting the other gulf states oil infrastructure , desalination plants, nuclear power facilities etc. So far Iran has mostly hit military targets. They have shown restraint because once they start targeting infrastructure...thats it. We unleash hell.....they unleash hell and the world economy suffers greatly. This isnt some grand revelation. This has been a known risk for decades. Netanyahu has tried to convince every administration since GW to attack Iran like this and convince them its now or never and they all looked at this scenario and said no thanks.Where we and the rest of the world fricked up....if you want to pin point the frick up is allowing Iran to build up their missle arsenal and tech going back to the 80's. But its a complicated history
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you’re right is their ability to bring the global economy to its knees greater than or less than what it was 4 months ago
I guess you could argue its been lessened to some degree but as long as the American people and Trump arent willing to send troops to die in large numbers or risk 20-30% of the world's oil supply being taken down for a long time...the threat is about the same.
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were you worried about these things 4 months ago? If not why not?
Anyone that thinks about or has an interest in global affairs has been worried about this scenario for 40 years
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would all this have been made better if we hadn’t targeted their nuclear program? Would they have been a better world player if they obtained a nuke? Would the global economy been safer if they still had all the same capabilities and obtained a nuke?
Generally speaking I think we should as policy be trying to prevent Iran from having a nuke but I would argue they already possessed enough firepower to damage the world's economy that would be as catastrophic as launching a few nukes. Them having nukes would make it even worse
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You’re right Iran is the real power in this equation. They have the ability to bring the global economy to its knees and there’s nothing we can do about it. All because OMB is President.
They are the real power if we and the rest of the powers thst could do something about it aren't willing to fight or accept a catastrophic loss of oil and life. Its not OMB. The world watched as they armed up over the years and kicked the can down the road. Where Trump fricked up is thinking he could eliminate the threat without much in the way of consequences.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:18 pm to Schleynole
quote:he would make that up because he embellishes everything he says.
Trump just said "greatest depression the world has ever seen maybe not 1929 bad but it could be." That's not me saying that, trump is saying that. Why would he make that up. The evidence that its true is the mou we just signed.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:19 pm to ThuperThumpin
I get that but I'm not talking about some timid endeavor. I'm talking bridgehead for an invasion force if need be with an air superiority zone around it. Then go full bore offensive with artillery and bombers to create a large perimeter. Large enough that if one gets across the border it won't make it to the bases because we detected it too far out. Then defend against them in depth. We have the stuff to do this.
With Kharg we'd put a bunch of destroyers and frigates and whatnot there to keep them clean. Then have shore mounted batteries to deal with anything that gets past them. Active sorties by the Navy / Air Force on the areas they fire from. Blow up anything that looks like it could house a drone.
We've got Gorgon Stare sitting there looking at every square inch of the place in extreme detail. We have AI parsing that for targets, catching movement and following it, identifying all kinds of intelligence. If they try to move any even remotely large units or assets we will know immediately and put a bomb/artillery shell/missile on them. They do not have infinite drones or launchers. Nor do they currently have an industrial capability to build many more. Taking our boot off their throat right now is with the understanding by all that actually know, that we could kill them right now and they know it. But letting them up lets the people the threat. We can work with that and it doesn't cost us as much.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want us to have to do that. But we certainly could if he chose to do it.
With Kharg we'd put a bunch of destroyers and frigates and whatnot there to keep them clean. Then have shore mounted batteries to deal with anything that gets past them. Active sorties by the Navy / Air Force on the areas they fire from. Blow up anything that looks like it could house a drone.
We've got Gorgon Stare sitting there looking at every square inch of the place in extreme detail. We have AI parsing that for targets, catching movement and following it, identifying all kinds of intelligence. If they try to move any even remotely large units or assets we will know immediately and put a bomb/artillery shell/missile on them. They do not have infinite drones or launchers. Nor do they currently have an industrial capability to build many more. Taking our boot off their throat right now is with the understanding by all that actually know, that we could kill them right now and they know it. But letting them up lets the people the threat. We can work with that and it doesn't cost us as much.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want us to have to do that. But we certainly could if he chose to do it.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:22 pm to RandySavage
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Do we not have the ability for force it open?
Contrary to some around here we absolutely can force it open. There is risk involved. But thats why we have billion dollar warships and sailors trained for this.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:24 pm to jammajin
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one thing to hate Trump and root against him. It’s another to disrespect the men and women of the US military who serve through different admins in favor of a bunch of goat jumpers
Seriously....wtf are you talking about. Im not rooting against us. Pointing out vulnerabilities in what has been know as the most strategically important chokepoint on the planet to war planners for decades isnt disrespecting the US Military.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:25 pm to Jbird
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Insurance caused the biggest part of the shutdown. Lloyds of London.
No no. It’s the mighty Iran that controls the strait.
They are so powerful they are capable of bringing the global economy to its knees.
Iran is more powerful than Covid !!
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:26 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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would make that up because he embellishes everything he says.
In this case.....he may have not been that far off.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Good to see you could find time with all your emotional flailing to find relevant, rational responses to post.
Your position that Iran is capable of bringing the global economy to its knees is imbecilic. As is the rest of your posting here.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:28 pm to Powerman
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Here is a crazy concept. Maybe get the frick out of their country
Heres an even crazier one. Stop letting goat humping pedo worshippers launch rockets at neighbors
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:30 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Seriously....wtf are you talking about. Im not rooting against us.
Yes. You are.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:50 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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We've got Gorgon Stare sitting there looking at every square inch of the place in extreme detail. We have AI parsing that for targets, catching movement and following it, identifying all kinds of intelligence. If they try to move any even remotely large units or assets we will know immediately and put a bomb/artillery shell/missile on them
And yet they were able to hit our 5th Fleet headquarters in Bahrain a week ago along with bases in Qatar and Kuwait. Look even if we commit to total war. Just to secure the SoH wouldn't be a cake walk. Those bass boat armed wirh machine guns and rockets that everyone likes to laugh at.....some intelligence indicates they have thousands of them. Enough of them swarming kamikaze style dragging mines can do some damage...Just a few of those missles hit a desalination plant....a city in the desert loses water. Its would be a slog just to secure the straight.....not to mention dealing with what comes next Doable by military if given orders ...yes. But this administration isnt willing to pay the price yet.
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