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re: Iran Threatens No More Negotiations Closure of SoH Over Israeli Attacks on Lebanon
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:33 pm to AlterEd
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:33 pm to AlterEd
Well to be honest SFP is nothing more than a self-righteous, blow hard that probably uses Claude to come up with his responses here to sound "intelligent".
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:34 pm to back9Tiger
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that probably uses Claude to come up with his responses here to sound "intelligent".
WTF
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:34 pm to Byron Bojangles III
We could open the straight if we really wanted to but the media would have a whine fest with how that happens
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:36 pm to Big4SALTbro
No way man Iran still has a fully functioning navy and air force.
They simply dominated the US military!
They simply dominated the US military!
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:43 pm to jammajin
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that Iran has the ability to bring the world economy to its knees via the Strait of Hormuz.
How is that not correct? Id go further. Not only have they proven they can stop traffic through the SoH, which itself would eventually cause major damage to the world's economy, they could devastate oil production in the region and take it offline for years which would be even worse. It would be suicide for them...a last ditch effort, a deadmans hand switch ..whatever your want to call it. but so would nuking Israel and thats what everyone fears ..right.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
"I am standing behind my position and using Trump as support for my position."
your position that Iran has the ability to bring the global economy to its knees is ludicrous.
thanks for standing behind it and proving you and your words should not be taken seriously.
Trump did not say Iran has the ability to bring the global economy to its knees. In fact he said nothing remotely close to that. The fact that you want to read his words and believe they somehow justify your ludicrous position doesn't make it so it just shows how delustion you are in you're own "being right".
the fact that you use Trump as a punchline 99% of the time and then try to use his words 1% of the time to justify your own ludicrous posiiton, and fail in the process of doing so, simply demonstrates how disingenous you are. You take a stupid position and then when you get called on that stupid position you try to use other peoples words to justify your position.
Even Crystal Preserves isn't willing to venture out onto the limb of the idiot tree you climbed with your position.
Again, because you had to pay $400-500 extra in gas over four months becasue the US decdided to show some restraint in not turning Iran into glass over the SOH does not mean Iran has the long term ability to either controld the SOH or cause anything like "bringing the global economy to its knees" over the SOH.
Hopefully some of the dimwit nations who have fallen asleep on the SOH as it relates to the oil supply to their country have learned a valuable lesson about how their friends are that they can use to more properly plan for the future.
The US could fully open the SOH any time it chooses. Just as it could have free air space over Iran today for as long as it chooses and could make Iran look like Gaza or worse today if it chooses.
Your shite posting about Iran having some sort of actual control of the SOH or of winning anything in this operation is made silly by the statement I just made.
your position that Iran has the ability to bring the global economy to its knees is ludicrous.
thanks for standing behind it and proving you and your words should not be taken seriously.
Trump did not say Iran has the ability to bring the global economy to its knees. In fact he said nothing remotely close to that. The fact that you want to read his words and believe they somehow justify your ludicrous position doesn't make it so it just shows how delustion you are in you're own "being right".
the fact that you use Trump as a punchline 99% of the time and then try to use his words 1% of the time to justify your own ludicrous posiiton, and fail in the process of doing so, simply demonstrates how disingenous you are. You take a stupid position and then when you get called on that stupid position you try to use other peoples words to justify your position.
Even Crystal Preserves isn't willing to venture out onto the limb of the idiot tree you climbed with your position.
Again, because you had to pay $400-500 extra in gas over four months becasue the US decdided to show some restraint in not turning Iran into glass over the SOH does not mean Iran has the long term ability to either controld the SOH or cause anything like "bringing the global economy to its knees" over the SOH.
Hopefully some of the dimwit nations who have fallen asleep on the SOH as it relates to the oil supply to their country have learned a valuable lesson about how their friends are that they can use to more properly plan for the future.
The US could fully open the SOH any time it chooses. Just as it could have free air space over Iran today for as long as it chooses and could make Iran look like Gaza or worse today if it chooses.
Your shite posting about Iran having some sort of actual control of the SOH or of winning anything in this operation is made silly by the statement I just made.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:47 pm to ThuperThumpin
see my response below yours.
the fact that you'd go further just makes you even more delusional than SFP
you start with the premise that Iran has the ability right now to do something the US doesn't want or isn't allowing them to do.
whatever conclusion you come to from there is deeply flawed.
the fact that you'd go further just makes you even more delusional than SFP
you start with the premise that Iran has the ability right now to do something the US doesn't want or isn't allowing them to do.
whatever conclusion you come to from there is deeply flawed.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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“We run out of reserves at about four weeks,”
I don’t get putting stuff like this out there. I mean I get he’s practically being forced to explain the situation but saying these things doesn’t help, whether true or false. It’s all so fricked up.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:49 pm to LARancher1991
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Iran Threatens No More Negotiations Closure of SoH Over Israeli Attacks on Lebanon
Get used to it.
The Islamic Republic feels they are in a good position to call the shots and they’ll exploit that position to its fullest.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:50 pm to WestSideTiger
I like the fact that he is honest. I'll never understand people that like to say he's a liar. It's shite like this that proves he isn't. He is honest to a fault sometimes.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:53 pm to Powerman
If we don't have the ability to ward off Iran to keep our most essential resources flowing then we are wasting a lot of money on military spending
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:54 pm to jammajin
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Again, because you had to pay $400-500 extra in gas over four months becasue the US decdided to show some restraint in not turning Iran into glass over the SOH does not mean Iran has the long term ability to either controld the SOH or cause anything like "bringing the global economy to its knees" over the SOH.
So tell me, How would we take out their drone and missile complexes that threaten the entire region ... Some buried 1600 ft deep without a massive ground invasion? How would we guarantee they would'nt launch at oil infrastructure in the gulf states before ground forces could penetrate. And if we could do it with out ground forces why didnt we? That would've eliminated 95% of the threat right there.
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:02 pm to Robin Masters
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If you follow Trumps life you can see he doesn’t just concede or give up. Hes always working an angle.
Tracking the exact number of lawsuits Donald Trump has filed and then *personally dropped* (voluntarily dismissed) is incredibly difficult because public court tallies usually group all completed cases together—whether they ended in a private settlement, a dismissal by a judge, or a voluntary withdrawal by Trump’s legal team.
However, looking at the macro data gathered by legal trackers and investigative analyses, a clear pattern emerges regarding how his legal strategies operate.
The Macro View: Over 1,600 Lawsuits Filed
A massive, comprehensive analysis of Trump’s legal history originally launched by *USA Today* (and continually updated by legal trackers) shows that over his lifetime across his business empires, personal dealings, and political campaigns, Trump and his companies have been involved in more than 5,600 lawsuits.
As Defendant: 4,095 cases
As Plaintiff (Filer): At least 1,600 cases
Out of those 1,600+ cases where Trump or his businesses were the ones initiating the lawsuit, the vast majority never made it to an actual trial.
What Happens to the Cases He Files?
When Trump files a lawsuit, it almost always ends in one of three ways before a trial ever happens:
Outcome, Strategy & Context
“Private Settlements” A massive portion of his plaintiff filings (especially commercial real estate, casino debt collections, and contract disputes) end in pre-trial settlements. Opposing parties often settle to avoid the massive cost of prolonged litigation.
“Dismissed by Judges” Many of his high-profile political or defamation suits—such as his $100 million suit against The New York Times or various suits against social media companies—are thrown out by judges on First Amendment or anti-SLAPP grounds before getting anywhere near a courtroom trial.
Voluntary Withdrawals (Dropped)
Trump frequently utilizes a strategy of filing massive, headline-grabbing lawsuits, using them for public relations leverage, and then quietly dropping them when it comes time to face discovery or an imminent loss.
Notable Examples of "Filed and Dropped" Suits:
While a single definitive number for "dropped" cases across his entire 50-year business history isn't explicitly separated from general pre-trial resolutions, high-profile instances of this specific strategy are well-documented:
The $500 Million Michael Cohen Suit (2023): Trump filed a massive half-billion-dollar lawsuit against his former attorney Michael Cohen for alleged breaches of confidentiality. Right before he was scheduled to sit for a mandatory, under-oath deposition in the case, Trump voluntarily dropped the entire lawsuit.
The Christopher Steele/Fusion GPS Case (UK): Trump brought a data protection lawsuit in London against the ex-MI6 officer who compiled the infamous dossier. After facing a steep legal uphill battle, the case was effectively abandoned and subsequently dismissed, with Trump ordered to pay Steele's legal fees.
Post-2020 Election Lawsuits: Out of the roughly 60+ legal challenges filed by Trump and his allies surrounding the 2020 election results, multiple cases were voluntarily withdrawn or dropped by his legal team after failing to produce evidence or realizing the courts would not grant emergency injunctions.
The Takeaway: While the exact sub-count of his 1,600+ filings that were “exclusively dropped” by his own volition is obscured by court formatting, legal experts agree it numbers in the hundreds. Filing a suit as a tactical pressure point—only to withdraw or settle it before a judge can force a trial—has been a foundational pillar of his legal playbook for decades.
Sounds like concession(giving up) is part of his “angle”.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:05 pm to jammajin
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your position that Iran has the ability to bring the global economy to its knees is ludicrous.
The global economy requires the free flow of oil.
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because you had to pay $400-500 extra in gas over four months becasue the US decdided to show some restraint in not turning Iran into glass over the SOH does not mean Iran has the long term ability to either controld the SOH or cause anything like "bringing the global economy to its knees" over the SOH.
Research what China has done to help global oil prices, how long that can continue, and the concern in areas other than the US is nothing like your example.
You're conflating the impacts on a country that produces a lot of petro with areas crucial to the global economy who don't.
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The US could fully open the SOH any time it chooses.
Then why haven't we?
This was the pressure point that got the US to the table.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:05 pm to jammajin
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you start with the premise that Iran has the ability right now to do something the US doesn't want or isn't allowing them to do.
whatever conclusion you come to from there is deeply flawed.
So intelligence reports from Israel, the US and NATO for decades stating Iran's known arsenal and the CIA own battle damage assessments a few weeks ago, and seeing them strike with precision at targets all over the region up until a week ago ....thats all deeply flawed. JFC.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:06 pm to AlterEd
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I like the fact that he is honest
Can you imagine the Iranian president announcing to the world that they’d run out of money or oil storage in a month? They already knew there was no threat of ground forces and we couldn’t even try faking a potential invasion without the world freaking out about it.
People don’t want to hear it but Iran holds most of the cards. It’s not even a fair fight in a lot of ways. How can you fight immorality while handcuffed by strict morality? We can barely even keep a secret.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The global economy requires the free flow of oil.
One potential positive from this is we may get some new pipelines operational.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:10 pm to lurking
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One potential positive from this is we may get some new pipelines operational.
I said yesterday it's a race of sorts for that pipeline infrastructure to be rebuilt as Iran rebuilds their nuclear program and military.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I said yesterday it's a race of sorts for that pipeline infrastructure to be rebuilt as Iran rebuilds their nuclear program and military.
The regional players are also investing a lot into oil storage outside the region. A lot more of that along with some sort of mutual defense pact and arming up between the gulf states is likely.
It fricking weird that some on this board refuse to acknowledge that Iran had and still has a massive arsenal of drones and missiles that can wreak the frick out the rest of the gulf and we cant do anything about it short of ground invasion. Its the key to the whole reason we had a cease fire and why this whole mess ended the way it did. This has been a known issue for war planners for years and some guys are just ...... UH UN ...NO WAY THEY CAN DO THAT.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:29 pm to WestSideTiger
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People don’t want to hear it but Iran holds most of the cards. It’s not even a fair fight in a lot of ways. How can you fight immorality while handcuffed by strict morality? We can barely even keep a secret.
They are willing to murder tens of thousands of their own people. Trump loses his shite when lost a few aircraft. Im glad he doesnt want to lose people but you cant expect to fight a war with a country like Iran without taking casualties.
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