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re: In these ICE plant raids… how many of the HR managers and plant mgrs get arrested?

Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:10 am to
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
3347 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:10 am to
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Ok great, but what is to stop those same companies from rehiring another group of the same people if there is no accountability?


I mean maybe I'm crazy but losing an entire day of production while ICE arrests dozens of your workers, causing you to lose MORE days of production, sounds like pretty good incentive to me
This post was edited on 9/5/25 at 9:10 am
Posted by Lightning
Texas
Member since May 2014
3118 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:12 am to
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Most of the employees probably used fraudulent papers and stolen SSNs.

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You have no idea how this works.


Sometimes that’s exactly how it works.

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The workers sometimes steal IDs, but many also borrow them from friends or family members. The story of a young undocumented immigrant named “Manuel” explains how so-called identity loans work. Manuel needed identification to work in the unionized construction industry in San Francisco. He contacted an uncle in Mexico who had obtained a Social Security number in the early 1970s but then returned to Mexico permanently. The uncle let Manuel use his SSN and forge a new green card with his uncle’s name. Since there is no victim of this kind of fraud, identity loans are extremely difficult to stop.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30543 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:12 am to
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The plant owner said all of his workers were legal.



I can see a situation where fraudulent papers were presented and the worker showed up as eligible to work in the system... If they can show where they ran a check and the papers they were presented with then it really isn't their problem...

However, for every illegal they hire that they cannot prove presented fraudulent papers it should be a fine of $100K each...
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
83702 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:15 am to
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You have no idea how this works.


Explain it to us like we are 5yrs old or Joe Biden
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1949 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:15 am to
If Democrats were smart this would be a winning approach for them:

- we are against illegal immigration, but we don't like masked LEO picking up working fathers, mothers, children off the street while executives of companies face no repercussions for knowingly profiting off breaking the law.

It would make them look reasonable as opposed to batshit insane.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35455 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:22 am to
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In these ICE plant raids… how many of the HR managers and plant mgrs get arrested?

They ALL should be.

It's the job of hiring managers and the HR team to ensure that all employees are in cooperation with federal law, here legally and therefore eligible to be hired. If they're failing to do this, whether by direct order, intentionally or unintentionally, then they are in direct violation of 8 U.S.C. § 1324 and should be arrested and charged accordingly.

It's not rocket science. There are laws. Enforce them.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
17110 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:25 am to
Thank you for the perspective from the smooth brained.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34016 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:29 am to
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Most of the employees probably used fraudulent papers and stolen SSNs.


These fake papers are generally stolen IDs, not made up, so it's also identity theft. These should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

There was a story about some illegal being deported and the "journalist" stated the person had broken no laws and was a law-abiding resident ... except for having a fake SS#.

That's a pretty significant law to break. It's a felony.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71659 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:32 am to
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That is the problem. Their mugshots should be plastered everywhere and they should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law......along with the CEOs and every executive in a position to make decisions.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71659 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:35 am to
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Bingo. This has always been the big elephant in the room no politicians wants to acknowledge.

Because they fund the politicians. They're protected.

I knew this overall approach was bullshite, nothing but a bandaid, when the good guvnuh Abbott was rolling his early victory laps over the housing development raid. He didn't say a fricking peep about the two brothers who systematically sought out, hired, and housed illegals as a way of doing business. Why? Because they are buddies of his who contribute to his coffers.
This post was edited on 9/5/25 at 9:36 am
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
12756 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:37 am to
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You have no idea how this works.


You are either childishly naive or dishonest.
Posted by AirbusDawg
Milton, Ga
Member since Jan 2018
2910 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:44 am to
Crazy to think the crime of being in this country illegally is just a misdemeanor.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
4650 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:54 am to
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Most of the employees probably used fraudulent papers and stolen SSNs.


And also vote illegally
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7682 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:27 am to
"We have no other tools we could reasonably employ other than to ask the Feds."

It's really even a tougher situation than you describe because the I-9 requirements and anti-discrimination laws require employers to thread a needle. The employer must ensure I-9 documentation requirements, but the employer may not do anything in addition to ensure legal status because doing so would result in a charge of discrimination on the basis of national origin. Any substantial change in this area will require a change in the law, enforcement help from the feds, or both.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
20734 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:32 am to
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Isn't someone supposed to filing I-9's?

I suspect that is how they are catching them. Employers with a certain number of employees are required to use the E-Verify system to file their I-9s and verify the SS#s. All that system does is verify if that is an active SS#. It did not say who that SS# applies to, or how old that person should be.

Before DOGE, the system never spoke to any other system. Therefore, when the SSA was handing out old SS#s to illegals so they can get jobs; the E-Verify would be able to verify it was an actual SS#. Now that DOGE came in and cleaned up the SSA rolls, it flagged many of these SS#s as being active. They were then able to take these flags and find where a lot of these illegals are working and perform raids.

Regarding HR & plant managers being arrested. They did the bare minimum they were required to do under the law. Even if they suspected it was an illegal; that person had documentation indicating they were legal citizens.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
20734 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:34 am to
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I mean maybe I'm crazy but losing an entire day of production while ICE arrests dozens of your workers, causing you to lose MORE days of production, sounds like pretty good incentive to me

Plus when you get the new list of applications & SS#s to run through the system; they won't automatically get the approval if that SS# has now been flagged
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
20797 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:42 am to
Do you actually expect them to admit to crimes voluntarily?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40217 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:57 am to
Like any government system, e-verify has issues.

But let’s be real.

1) the same people / companies saying Hurr Durr we tried but the system broke are the same people fighting against fixing that system

2) one or two slipping through I understand, but over half your workforce?

3) are you paying below market? Wouldn’t that be a sign if all these people are willing to accept below market wages?

4) how was ICE able to spot dozens of frauds in a few hours but the company could not via a screening process?

5) and the big one, why were there “immigration advocates” on site when the raid occurred? Legal workers do not need immigration advocates
This post was edited on 9/5/25 at 10:59 am
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10340 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 12:33 pm to
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Shitty job market. Mass layoffs. Everything is still extremely high. Bluster about 86'ing property and possibly income tax. Interest rates still high and mid-aged couples can't even afford a f'ing house.


What a drama queen. Most of the layoffs I've seen are tech companies switching to AI and importing H1Bs while still making billions. That's not a market issue.

Trump and congress aren't responsible for interest rates.

Complaining because Trump is working to lower taxes is peak retard "conservatism."

Why do you expect Trump to fix the entire market that's been destabilized for years in only a few months? Rational people see what Trump is doing and understand it's not an overnight fix. Trump is also constantly fighting lawfare to get anything done, but let's put all the blame on Trump instead of the activist judges where it belongs.

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His zingers are cool and funny but when you look at your daily life, how is it improving exactly?


Well, my 401k is improving. My company is thriving. Crime is being lowered. Tax breaks were secured. You sound whiny.

Trump is also working to build long-term success for the country. I know that's a difficult concept for you "give me everything now or you're a failure" schmucks, but sometimes you just have to look at the big picture instead of focusing only on the immediate effects. Since the election, you people have cemented your place among the myopic.

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Awesome 2M illegals got deported! Ok great, but what is to stop those same companies from rehiring another group of the same people if there is no accountability?


Downplaying Trump's successes. Another sign we're dealing with a panican "conservative." The best way to ensure these companies don't rehire millions of illegals is by removing them from the country and not letting new ones in. Of course, that's too much common sense for the bitch and moan crowd.

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Lest we forget, this mofo has a list of people who not only frequented Epstein island, but is running cover for them.


Now we get to your actual problem. You're so emotionally invested in Epstein that it's clouding your judgment for everything else. It's pretty obvious there is more going on than Trump "protecting pedophiles." It's also pretty obvious that the information you think exists simply doesn't.

To everyone who uses logic over emotion, it's clear that the info that Kash and Dan thought were in the files before the election did not match the actual info in the files. Of course, if they came out and said that, you and all the other folks would call them liars and complain even more than you do now.

You and your buddies have created a no-win situation regarding Epstein and are letting it affect every other thought you have. It will never be good enough for you. If 50 politicians are brought down, you will focus on the 1 that wasn't and claim Trump is protecting him.

It's really pathetic to let something that has such little impact on current events consume your every thought. If the victims won't even release the names, then why should I care?

You just bitch about everything because you want to. There are plenty of positive things Trump has done, but you ignore those and focus on perceived failures. You're no different than the leftists who always do the same thing when Trump is involved.

Weak men ruined this country and now they bitch because Trump isn't fixing the mess fast enough for them and the fixes require discomfort. You "conservatives" would keep us under Biden era policies because you can't handle the tough actions required to fix a broken system. You expect everything to be improved smoothly with no issues whatsoever. When that doesn't happen because this is the real world, you whine and moan and attack the guys who have been the only ones willing to upset the established system.

You people can't be taken seriously.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
18970 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 1:32 pm to

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