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re: If you force a Christian bakery to bake gay wedding cakes, it'll start a precedent
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:00 pm to Kentucker
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:00 pm to Kentucker
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OTOH, legal discrimination in the market place promises to escalate to chaotic proportions. Merchants will decide who gets the best of their wares and who gets the leftovers. Discrimination is a door that can't be opened just a little to get at gay people
If you owned a bakery and i walked in wanting a cake shaped like a giant cock and balls, are you gonna bake it for me? And if no, on what grounds are you going to refuse me service?
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 2:01 pm
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:02 pm to Kentucker
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Why should anyone have to search for another bakery just because a popular, affordable bakery doesn't want to serve them?
Why not.
Why is it someone duty to save a stranger's time at their expense?
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:02 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Why should anyone have to search for another newsstand if a popular, affordable one refuses to carry Hustler?
Why should anyone have to search for a different gas station just because a popular, affordable one doesn't want to stock condoms?
Why should anyone have to search for another place to buy chicken just because a popular, affordable one closes on Sunday?
Discrimination is wrong, but "going elsewhere is inconvenient" isn't the reason - by that logic, the government can force business owners to offer objectionable products and services.
You're leaving something out. All of your examples choose not to sell a product. The baker in question can choose not to sell wedding cakes.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:03 pm to Kentucker
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Discrimination is a door that can't be opened just a little to get at gay people
The door is ALREADY open. From the left
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:03 pm to Kentucker
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You sure know a lot of ambisexual people
Just making up words now lol
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:03 pm to Parmen
While I agree with the overall point that bakers should be able to refuse service in certai circumstances, your slippery slope based arguments shows a complete lack of knowledge of the case and the basis of ythe suit. 
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:04 pm to FT
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This is why you have to serve everyone, period.
An important step towards the enslavement of the population.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:06 pm to Argonaut
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That isn't the issue either. No one is denying or even attempting to deny the free exercise of religion on this issue.
Wrong. How did you arrive at that conclusion?
*I don't think you thought that through very well.*
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:08 pm to Kentucker
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OTOH, legal discrimination in the market place promises to escalate to chaotic proportions. Merchants will decide who gets the best of their wares and who gets the leftovers. Discrimination is a door that can't be opened just a little to get at gay people.
Wrong, people/customers will eventually determine which businesses thrive and which ones fail.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:08 pm to Kentucker
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How is a wedding cake speech? It's a product for sale.
A gay wedding cake was most certainly not the product for sale.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:08 pm to Dale51
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What does art have to do with it? The issue is whether a person can be forced to deny their religious beliefs.
Many people have sided with the baker based upon their idea that baking wedding cakes is an art.
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"...shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion"
That's the central issue. What are the limits of "the free exercise of religion?" The SC will have to determine them.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:09 pm to Kentucker
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The baker in question can choose not to sell wedding cakes.
Still not the issue.
The right to practice your religion as you understand it is the issue.
"....shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion"
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:10 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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If you owned a bakery and i walked in wanting a cake shaped like a giant cock and balls, are you gonna bake it for me? And if no, on what grounds are you going to refuse me service?
See my post about the SC's support for community standards.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:12 pm to Parmen
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:13 pm to Argonaut
quote:if your religion believes a certain way on an issue, making them produce products against their religion is the definition of religious infringement. Just plug in other religious scenarios and think how’d they play out. Muslim bakery, making gay wedding cakes?? How come this issue never comes up? Oh, bc Muslims views are protected, even if they would prefer to throw the gays off the roof, they are NEVER pinned down and forced to do things against their views
That isn't the issue either. No one is denying or even attempting to deny the free exercise of religion on this issue.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:13 pm to Kentucker
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What are the limits of "the free exercise of religion?" The SC will have to determine them.
Wrong. The SC does not have the power to determine what constitutes the "proper" exercise of one's religion.
"...shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion"
How do you interpret that part of the 1st?
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:13 pm to Dale51
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Why is it someone duty to save a stranger's time at their expense?
It's everyone's duty to follow the Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:14 pm to DevilDogTiger
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A gay wedding cake was most certainly not the product for sale.
How can a wedding cake be gay?
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:16 pm to Kentucker
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It's everyone's duty to follow the Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court.
Duty??...really??? So you think we should still have slavery.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 2:16 pm to Dale51
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The right to practice your religion as you understand it is the issue.
Again, the SC will have to determine the extent to which anyone can do this.
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How do you interpret that part of the 1st?
Neither you or I will be doing the interpreting. That the responsibility of the SC and both of us will have to abide by their interpretation.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 2:23 pm
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